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Kåarto
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 Posted - 30/10/2009 : 09:26:42
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Anna Catharina Rekvold Hjerpendal was born in Stømstad 1819, bap. Feb. 4.
Parents: Olaus Hjerpendal and Vivicia E. Norling.
Strange, but it seems impossible to post, I have made many futile attempts, it´s an enourmously large link that sems to live it´s own live between bounching between a note pad and the main page once I click on it to get all the digits.
The parents married in Strømstad Mai 30. 1816. "Sjøman" Seaman Olaus Larsson and "Jungfru" Virgin Vivicia Elisabeth Norling
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/10/2009 10:54:11 |
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eibache
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Posted - 30/10/2009 : 13:48:50
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Kåre,
How on earth did you get the register from Strømstad, invaluable!
The bapt record for Ole Peter Berg is #25
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/10/2009 : 17:27:47
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Hi Einar,
a combination of luck, stubbornness and experience in digging for old information.
I will send both transciptions to you after dinner, newspapers and a brake.
Sources and authors: Maria and Allan Karlsson and Håkan Andersson
From the Swedish records from Strømstad I read that Vivicia Elisabeth (nr 21 600) was bap. Vivia Elisabeth July 8. 1797, born to Bent Norling and Helena Wallenius.
"Borgare" Citizen Bent Norling and "Jungfru" Virgin Helena Christina Wallenius married August 26. 1785 (Couple 3520).
Helana Kristina was born to Per Wallenius, bap. Dec. 27. 1764 (nr 6620).
"Hr" Mr. Pehr Wallenius married Mariefred x/Mariefred (unknown lastname) Oct. 7. 1761.
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PaulaPope
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 00:38:16
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Dear Einar and Kåre,
Thank you so much- it’s a wonderful range of information. Have been exploring it a bit and have come up with some bits to clarify which I hope is ok with you:
1. Can you say what is "Own 1863-72 Nr 2: 23, 78-84 nr 2 new 24" pls? "The name Gjerpendal means Hazel Grouse valley" - Can you say where this fits in pls?
2. "Hjerpedal, Lars Olsson, lotsålderman. g. m. Marta Bryngelsdtr, f. 1763 † 1804 20/2, äger 1789— 91 nr 4: 13."
Are these Olavus Larsson Hjerpedal’s parents? Does ‘Lotsålderman’ mean town councillor?
3. And are these some of his mother’s siblings?
"Bryngelsson, Ander (arbetskarl –workman?); Bryngelsson, Jakob (seaman); Bryngelsson, Johanne (båtkarl?); Bryngelsson, Olof (seaman & jaktkarl?)"; - can you translate their jobs?
Sincerely Paula
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PaulaPope
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 00:41:02
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Some more queries:
4. Ann Cathrine Olavusdr was a widow when she married Olavus Larsson Hjerpendal (is that right), so do we know the name of her first husband? Do we know when she died?
5. Do we know when Britta Christine died?
6. Do we know when Helana Kristina Wallenius died pls?
7. So the earlier generations were living in Sweden (in Stromstad) and after the births of Britta, Laurentze and Ann, they appear to have relocated to Halden. Do we know if Olavus Larsson Hjerpendahl & Vivicia Elisabeth Norling died in Halden? I see Olavus was only 35 –did he die at sea?
Many thanks Sincerely Paula
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eibache
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 06:58:42
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Paula,
Here are some answers to your questions:
1. Own 1863-72 Nr 2: 23, 78-84 nr 2 new 24 is the translation of "Äger 1863—76 nr 2: 23, 78-84 nr 2: nytt 24." = the info on houses and plots that Oluf Peter Berg owned in Strømstad.
"The name Gjerpendal means Hazel Grouse valley" Kåres translation of the last name of Oluf Peters wife Laurentia Elisabeth Hjerpendal suggesting this to be equal to Hjerpedal, equal to Jerpedal and seen as two words jerpe = hazel gouse and dal = valley.
2. Lars Olsson Hjerpedal, lotsålderman (master pilot) and Marta Bryngelsdotter were most likely Olavus Larsson Hjerpedal’s parents.
3. Bryngelsson, Anders b. 1788 (arbetskarl – (manual) laborer); Bryngelsson, Jakob b. 1775 (seaman or sailor); Bryngelsson, Johannes b. 1769 (boatswain); Bryngelsson, Olof (seaman & jaktkarl = working on a small sailer) - Marta Bryngelsdotter was b. 1763 - they could be her brothers but the 1763 - 1788 span is rather large.
Your other questions certainly takes more time to answer, if an answer can be found. |
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eibache
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 08:02:54
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Britta Christine Olavesdatter Hjerpendal came to Fredrikshald (Halden) to work in Oct 1834, see #26.
Laurentia Elisabeth Hjerpendahl came to Fredrikshald (Halden) to work in Oct 1839, see #13
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eibache
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 08:56:44
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6. From the Strømstad register:
Norling, Bengt Wittesson, f. (born) i (in) Kville 1754 7/11 † 1812
29/7 g. (married) 85 26/8 m. Helena Kristina Wallenius, f. 64 27/12 † 1838 8/2, dtr av (of) Peter W(allenius). - i. e. she died Febr 8 1832.
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eibache
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 09:00:37
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Ann Cathrine Olavusdr was a widow when she married Olavus Larsson Hjerpendal (is that right), so do we know the name of her first husband? Do we know when she died?
I thought Ann Cathrine Olavusdr was the daughter of Olavus Larsson Hjerpendal, she married Reichvold Helgesen as a widow.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 15:47:37
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Hi.
I have searched for for Hjerpendal (Hjerpedal) in various spellings.
It can´t be many Hjerpendal in Sweden since the information is almost zero.
I found Hjerpedal in Østgøtarland, eastern Sweden, where Lars Larsson and Kerstin Svendsdatter lived before 1830, see from this family and nr 8 (Any connections to your family isn´t investigated)
In another link I found mentioned a farm named Store (Large) Hjerpendal in connection to a sub farm under Hjerpendal
In my posting abowe acc. Per Wallenius married Mariefred /xMariefred.
Well, he did not, she wasn´t a lady.
Mariefred was the place he came from, a small town north from Østgøtarland, see here
In the alphabetically registry abowe we can read:
Per Vallenius (son of the schoolmaster and "Koministern" likely a person who had with the church´s operations to do) in Mariefred Anders Wallenius and Magdalena Stuvart.
Per W. was born in Mariefred Feb. 1734, died March 6. 1775, seaman, "Enrolleringskarl" a seaman which occasionally could be sumoned to the navy, costums official at sea.
A document from March 17. 1773 describes him as:
Medium body shape, "Trinnlagd i ansiktet" wrinkeled? face, black-brown hair and eyebrows, married July 10. 1761 to Karin Pettersdotter Mai 13. 1742 d Jan. 16. 1792.
Karens father was Peter Kleen, owner of house 1: 54 from 1767. Sole owner of house nr 2: 23 from 1778, "visitør ved stora Sjøtullen" similare to investigater at major sea customs 1688-1710.
Peter Kleen owned from 1667 house nr 1:54
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PaulaPope
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 21:26:32
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Thank you for all this info and spending so much time unravelling it all
"I thought Ann Cathrine Olavusdr was the daughter of Olavus Larsson Hjerpendal, she married Reichvold Helgesen as a widow".
Yes that's right -sorry my error. So her first husband died and then she married Reichvold..so I suppose it's not easy to find out who that first husband was. Paula
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eibache
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 22:10:49
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Anne Cathrine Olavusdatters second husband Reichvold Helgesen came to Fredrikshald (Halden) 1839, this was not recorded until 1841, see #67
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 22:57:42
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Hi.
"Koministern", see abowe, had more to do with the church than I thought, he was the priest.
I have some exiting information from the Swedish book "Herdaminne" a scientifically justified historical reference work that includes all available information of all priest in the bishopric/Diocese.
I need some time to translate it from a combitation of old and modern Swedish to Norwegian and then translated to English without falling into two many traps.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 31/10/2009 23:01:26 |
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PaulaPope
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 00:21:41
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Thank you for all the updates
The Stromstad register is wonderful - I see there’s quite a family tree of Norlings. Just to clarify, Elias is one of Vivicia’s siblings, is there another ie Norge? Or where does Britta Helene fit in.
Can you say what this is after Bengt’s name pls: “burskap s. båtförare ok fiskeidkare”?
I love all the Per Wallenius background info, taking it back earlier than 1700. It looks like the 3 generations: Petter Wallenius, Anders Wallenius & Per Wallenius were all involved in the customs work and Petter was doing it in 1688-1710 on the register ‘visitör vid stora sjö¬’
Do we know any more about Peter Kleen?
And the church minister link- this is all fascinating. Thank you
Paula
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eibache
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 07:03:51
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Do we know any more about Peter Kleen?
Peter Kleen son of Joen Engelbrektsson was born 1703 died Sept 30 1742 and married July 8 1739 Elisabeth Lindbom, daughter of Sven Andersson, she was born 1718 and died April 10 1784.
Joen Engebretsson, unknown birth, died 1712, was living in Strömstad at least since 1675, he was a seacaptain and commanding officer on the ship Fortuna in 1691 and on Carolus in 1694.
He was also a shipowner as part-owner of the ship Rosan in 1685, in Fortuna in 1691, in Ulrika Eleonora in 1697 and St Andreas in 1704. From 1681 he was also serving as chief administrative officer and in 1697 he was a member of Parliament. Joen Engebretssons first wife was Barbro Bryngelsdotter born 1684 and his second wife was (Peter Kleens mother) Mischella Kleen, born approx. 1663 and died Aug 31 1742. |
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