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jeanwatt
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 Posted - 26/04/2010 : 04:47:54
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Hi,
Thank you Eibache and Kare for more information. Eibache you said, "The distance from Rud in Sande to Bragernes church is 11,5 miles." Is this 11 and a half miles and what is the significance of the church? Kare you said, ""The Rud´s kept contact with Fiskum in Eiker." What is Fiskum? Is it a town? If so what is the population now and in 1900. What was the population of Drammen in 1900? And how big is Drammen now? Approximately of course. Thank you for all the information about Jenny. Do you live close to the origninal farms too? By the way is the last name spelled Ruud or Rud or both as I notice it is spelled differently at times. We always thought it was Ruud. Good luck with your grass. We are getting an early spring in Alberta and the leaves just started coming out two days ago.Have a great day today. Jean |
Edited by - jeanwatt on 26/04/2010 04:49:53 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 26/04/2010 : 06:53:13
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I thought the distance Kċre gave you between Sande and Drammen was too large and the measurement of 11,5 miles was intended to be from a more specific place in the rural area of Sande to the middle of the city of Drammen.
You can use Wikipedia for info on Drammen.
Fiskum is an agricultural area in Eiker. I think Kċre can give you more info since his home is not far from Fiskum. |
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Edited by - eibache on 26/04/2010 07:01:36 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 26/04/2010 : 20:29:11
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Hi Jean,
yes I know Fiskum and Eiker well.
You probably have many relatives in Eiker today.
The distance was actually ment for Krekling in Eiker, I thought I saw Krekling in some of Carl Amundsens children.
Fiskum was the old common name for this area, reffering to the old Fiskum church from 1200 and the new Fiskum church opened 1864, burned down 1903, build up again 1903, burned down in a new fire 1940 and build up again 1945 .
Southern Ĝvre Eiker municipality consist of three main counrtrysides, Fiskum, Krekling and Darbu in add. to several small agricultural areas with local names.
Brĉkke (Brekke) is to the left in the nearest part of the large Lake Eikeren.
The water in front is Fiskum water which flows into lake Eikeren, to the right outside the photo is Fiskum, Krekling and Darbu bordering my hometown Kongsberg.
My wife is from Fiskum, also her mother (1917-2009) and grandfather Laurits Bagstevold b. 1879.
He was a farmer, lodger, fisherman and a boat builder (wodden boat) for sale, I am sure he and my MIL knew your family, he also transported people on the lake and mapped the shallows and depths for the municipality.
Visiting Brĉkke from Sande was a short journey after 1903.
From Sande to the southern part of the lake to Eidsfoss where you could enter Stadshauptmand Schwartz who brought you almost to Brĉkke that lay in the backgrond of the bridge in photo nr 4 (not sure if the farm exist today).
Still more of your familymembers to look for if you want more records.
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jeanwatt
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 27/04/2010 : 00:23:26
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Hi Eibache and Kare,
Again I thank you for your help and time. Kare you said "I am sure he and my MIL knew your family." What is a MIL? I would love any records that you can find on any of our relatives. I definitely would like to establish contact with any relatives we have in Norway. I have a cousin living in Belgium and he is going to fly to Norway to take some pictures and try to make contact with any relatives that we have there. Kare, as you live so close to where my relatives lived, do you mind being a contact as we know we will have a language barrier and if so would I contact you through your profile email address? And it is okay to say no if you prefer not to be contacted. Thanks again for your explanations and help. This forum is fantastic. Jean |
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jeanwatt
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 04:30:47
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| Kare, just thought I better clarify what I meant when I said contact...my cousin and his family would stay in a hotel and maybe meet you for coffee; however, I understand if that is something you would not like to do and that is okay. My cousin can look up records at the town hall or talk to other people who could help him. Take care. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 16:07:08
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Hi Jean.
MIL is an abbreviation for mother in-laws.
That would be great if I am home, I love coffee, I am going to a familymeeting on an island in Northern Norway this summer where I have spend so many summers.
If I can be to any help for your cousin I will do my best, adresses etc.
Normally midsummer in Norway is a great time with long bright nights.
I was hoping to find living relatives for you, a family tree etc.
I have no living familymembers in Eiker to ask, they are all dead.
Eiker can be a challenge because there are no "Bygdebok there, it´s a book where all the farms and persons who lived and still lives there are mentioned.
Most municipalities has Bygdbooks.
I will keep on looking for you, the wedding records for Eiker online ends 1969, the birth records ends |1929, 80 years rule.
Jan1. 1. 2011 the 1910 census for Norway will be online
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Edited by - Kċarto on 28/04/2010 16:10:41 |
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jeanwatt
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Canada
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Posted - 29/04/2010 : 05:05:58
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Hi Kare,
Glad to know what MIL stood for...never thought of mother-in-law. Thank you for offering to meet my cousin and his family. I will email you and give you his email address and name and hopefully he can work around your holiday for his visit to Norway. I am sorry to hear you have no living family members in Eiker to ask as that might have been an easy solution. My cousin expresses how we all feel in such eloquent terms what we are all thinking ..."I am simply astounded that after one century of faded memories and very limited oral family history, you would essentially be able to obtain vital family history information, complete with maps locating the farms, and family tree information, through a web forum." My cousin and his family would be happy to meet you, your wife, your MIL (and any of the other members who contributed to our knowledge that would like to meet) at a coffee shop somewhere. Why does Eiker not have a bygdebok...did it get destroyed during the World Wars? I found it interesting that you mentioned you have long hours of daylight in the summer. Where I live in Vermilion we have summer sun from around 6:00 in the morning to 10:30 at night and of course the farther north you go in Canada there is hardly any night at all in the summer. Thank you for still looking for relatives. Hopefully we will find either some living ones on the Ruud side or on the Sjol side. Take care. Jean |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/04/2010 : 19:41:12
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Hi.
the reason Eiker has no Bygdebooks is perhaps there are no volunteers to do the job or because of the costs.
Eiker would perhaps need as many as 8-10 volumes to cover all the farms and it would take a person many years to investigate the enormous numbers of records from the past that is not online, and the prestent.
Sandsvĉr Bygdebĝker (former municipality in todays Kongsberg) concist of 9 volumes and a register (ab. 6000 pages) and was published from 1992-2002.
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jeanwatt
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 30/04/2010 : 04:38:05
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| Thanks for the information and your email, Kare. I found an old very tiny picture of a ski hill showing possibly ski jumping and on the back it had the following words...Holmekolldagen, 1946. What does that mean? Our family has been told that Granny's nephew Sigurd Salvesen had won medals in skiing ...possibly Olympic but we are not sure on that... before he came to Canada. I remember my dad talking about looking at and admiring the medals but they disappeared when Sigurd passed away..noone in the family has them. He came over on the ship with Margrethe Sjol, our grandmother, in 1918. Is there any way to check as to what type of medals he might have won? |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/04/2010 : 11:04:41
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Hi
Holmenkollen is the most famous skijumping hill and cross country skiing arena in the world.
In 1946 the first competition after WW2 was held.
Sigurd Salvesen is not among the Norwegian Olympic medal winners since the first wintergames in France 1924, perhaps he represented Canada.
Could your Sigurd be Sigurd Salvesen b. feb. 19. bap. April 3. 1881 in Bygland municiopality, Aust-Agder County.
Competitions in cross country skiing started already 1882 in Holmenkollen, 50 Kilometer.
Perhaps he participated in a national championship.
Likely a blind track.
Winning cross country team from Markane, Stryn parish, Sogn og Fjordane County 1941, Sigmund Salvesen in the white cap
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Edited by - Kċarto on 30/04/2010 11:54:07 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2010 : 12:09:51
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Fiskum.
Elsa Marie Brekke b. 1913 married teacher Olav Kolstad June 8. 1935 #2
He was a teacher on Mastebogen school, later on Brekke School, both schools at lake Eikeren, closed in the late 1940s and centralized to Vestfossen, he died 1955
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Edited by - Kċarto on 30/04/2010 12:41:51 |
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jeanwatt
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 00:02:58
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Hi,
The picture of the ski hill I have looks exactly like the one you posted for 1946 except from a different angle. Jan Peter found mention of Sigurd on the first page of this forum topic in the census 1900 document but I am not sure how old he is as I cannot read the Norwegian in the jpg. "Margrethe Karoline Johansen Sjĝl Born 05 Mar 1886, chr 26 Apr 1886, Sande, Vestfold, NorwayParents: Olaus Martin Johansen Sjĝl b. 1839 & Karen Johanne Kristiansdatter b. 1846 Margrete in census-1900." I found an article that says he died in 1955, but not when he was born. I will try to find his grave stone in the Vermilion Cemetary next week. That same article says he came to Canada in 1914 to work for my Grandfather so now I am not sure when he emigrated. It may have been National Championships that Sigurd won maybe he did not win anything special and was only a favorite uncle for my dad and his siblings. Rumor has it that he won medals in Norway but we do not know what he may have won. What year or time period did the Ruuds get Ruud or Rud as a last name? Was it assigned to Edward when he emigrated to the US in 1904 or did he have that last name before that time. Thanks for the information on "Elsa Marie Brekke". At least we are getting a bit closer to live relatives. Take care, Jean
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 20:05:24
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Hi,
Rud and Ruud are used interchangeably in Norway.
Edvard Pedersen was christened Ruud.
1900 census for Sande says Rud
Emigration records Oslo 1904 says Ruud.
Emigration records Sande for both Edvard and Peter Emil says Rud, see #9 and 10.
Both spellings are correct.
Edvard was baptised Ruud and used Ruud in Canada.
1900 farm Brobakken, Sande, se posting page 1.
Sigurd Salvesen b. 1895, occ. was FL, lodger and family member to the Sjĝl family.
Sigurd was a Sjĝl.
Sigurd was born ut of wedloc Sept.13. 1895 to engineer and bachelor Edward Salvesen and maid Susanna Martinsdatter Sjĝl, see top page #33
Sigurds baptism record was send him in Oslo April. 15. 1909. |
Edited by - Kċarto on 01/05/2010 21:12:07 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 21:18:40
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Sigurd was a bachelor in 1920 when he returned to Canada after been home in Norway, Sigurd was a farmer and Canadian citizen, see here
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Edited by - Kċarto on 01/05/2010 21:21:38 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 23:45:33
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Sigurds mother Susanna (Kristiane) Martinsdatter Sjĝl died Sept. 20 1895, 7 day after Sigurd was born. Her father was Martin Sjĝl, see bottom #27
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Where is Sande I Jarlesberg, Norway?
