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Lukeduk1980
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 Posted - 01/09/2011 : 17:34:50
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/09/2011 : 22:43:45
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For the record; Johannes & Anna Rowe (Raa) have been discussed in this topic.
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 01:08:13
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The mystery is solved!
Your Anna Anderson is the Anna Sime who was found by Jackie and lyndal40!
Anna Andersdr
Birth 13 Oct 1838
Christening 11 Nov 1838
Source: Sogn og Fjordane county, Luster, Parish register (official) nr. A 5 (1831-1841), Birth and baptism records 1839, page 53.
Father: Anders Asbjørnson Lingjerde, b. abt 1813, Hafslo, Luster, Sogn & Fjordane
Mother : Kari Pedersdtr Natvik, b. 5 Dec 1813, Kinserdal, Hafslo, Sogn & Fjordane, d. 10 May 1889, Utica twp., Crawford Co., WI, USA
Kari emigrated with Anna on the ship "Claus Heftige" in 1867. Bertha Johannesdatter (26) on the same ship is Anna's half-sister.
They have the same mother, but Berthas father is Johannes Torsteinsson Seim (11 Feb 1815 - 23 Jul 1861)
This familytree says Anna died 05 Dec 1913 in Utica, Wis.
Notes by Oddvar Natvik:
08.02.2003: Anna is a daughter of Kari Pedersdotter, born out of wedlock in Hafslo. She grew up at Seim, and went with her mother and family to USA. Anna was confirmed on 06.08.1854, living at Seim.
13.03.2009: Jacon Vedvik write in a letter of 26.11.1990: ...a death record for a Mrs Anna Jackson, who was born November 2, 1838 in Norway and died December 5, 1913 in the Town of Utica at the age of 75 years, 1 month and 3 days. Her parent's names were given as Johannes Torstenson and Kari Sime. She probably is buried in the Utica Lutheran Church Cemetery. She was a widow at the time of her death." This is much likely Anna Andersdr who Kari had with Anders Lingjerde, Hafslo. The birth date matches pretty well. Anna went along with her mother Kari to America.
Anna's stepfather was Johannes Torstenson Seim who married Kari Pedersdr in 1841.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 02/09/2011 01:22:21 |
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Lukeduk1980
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 01:50:44
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Jan Peter. I could just give ya a big hug right now. Excellent work. Well that solves most of the mystery. Any records of where Anders Asbjørnson Lingjerde might have died and when? Thank you again.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 02:03:02
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Hi Lucas,
Judging from the baptismal records of Aardal and Lærdal I saw, he was a busy man (or at least someone with the same name was busy) --I didn't particularly note it but I thought I saw him mentioned as 3rd or 4th time father of illegitimate children...
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 02:20:27
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A few unknowns for Lucas to work on.
Andrew Jackson had a son Jacob born abt 1876 and in the 1880 census is listed as a widower. Question who was his first wife and mother of Jacob?
Anna Andersdatter Seim (Sime) Had a son Andrew born abt 1877 shown again in the 1880 census. . Who is his father. Is it Andrew Jackson or? |
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Lukeduk1980
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 03:30:03
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Originally posted by lyndal40
A few unknowns for Lucas to work on.
Andrew Jackson had a son Jacob born abt 1876 and in the 1880 census is listed as a widower. Question who was his first wife and mother of Jacob?
Anna Andersdatter Seim (Sime) Had a son Andrew born abt 1877 shown again in the 1880 census. . Who is his father. Is it Andrew Jackson or?
I missed that second part. Anna had a child before she married Anders Jackson??? Whoa! Talk about a family with low morals!
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 03:49:48
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It is not surprising that you missed it. You have six pages of data some relevant, some not relevant posted on this subject. You could do worse than spend several days even weeks wading through the posts and extracting out the useful parts. Anyway here is the 1880 Census for Anna Sime, she is listed as a widow with young son Andrew. Maybe she was married before Andrew Jackson and thus her morals are just fine.
Name: Anna Sime
Home in 1880: Utica, Crawford, Wisconsin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keeping House
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Gender: Female
Household Members: Name Age
Anna Sime 40
Andrew Sime 3
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 03:58:13
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Hi,
Interesting Anne Sime widowed age 40 b, Norway in 1880 Utica, Crawford County, Wisconsin at familysearch.org:
Household Record 1880 United States Census
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Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Anna SIME Self W Female W 40 NOR Keeping House NOR NOR
Andrew SIME Son S Male W 3 WI NOR NOR
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Source Information:
Census Place Utica, Crawford, Wisconsin
Family History Library Film 1255421
NA Film Number T9-1421
Page Number 156C
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Jackie M.
No doubt you could find them in Ancestry.
I'm not sure "morals" has much to do with this. There are lots of cultural reasons why there were illegitimates in Norway--it has been the subject of a good deal of anthropological study.
In fact, I've read somewhere that 49% of births in Norway in 2000 were to unmarried partners. Apparently, it is something which still speaks to Norwegians. But until you find whether or not Anna was married & to whom, that child may not have been illegitimate.
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
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185 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 05:09:35
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Originally posted by lyndal40
It is not surprising that you missed it. You have six pages of data some relevant, some not relevant posted on this subject. You could do worse than spend several days even weeks wading through the posts and extracting out the useful parts. Anyway here is the 1880 Census for Anna Sime, she is listed as a widow with young son Andrew. Maybe she was married before Andrew Jackson and thus her morals are just fine.
Name: Anna Sime
Home in 1880: Utica, Crawford, Wisconsin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keeping House
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Gender: Female
Household Members: Name Age
Anna Sime 40
Andrew Sime 3
Your right, I did miss it. Man oh man. This is definitely going to take some working and sorting out. |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
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185 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 18:15:37
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Here is the copy of that Marriage Certificate. I said I'd post it so here it is.
Lucas |
Edited by - Lukeduk1980 on 03/09/2011 18:16:06 |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
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185 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 18:37:49
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Originally posted by jwiborg
The mystery is solved!
Your Anna Anderson is the Anna Sime who was found by Jackie and lyndal40!
Anna Andersdr
Birth 13 Oct 1838
Christening 11 Nov 1838
Source: Sogn og Fjordane county, Luster, Parish register (official) nr. A 5 (1831-1841), Birth and baptism records 1839, page 53.
Father: Anders Asbjørnson Lingjerde, b. abt 1813, Hafslo, Luster, Sogn & Fjordane
Mother : Kari Pedersdtr Natvik, b. 5 Dec 1813, Kinserdal, Hafslo, Sogn & Fjordane, d. 10 May 1889, Utica twp., Crawford Co., WI, USA
Kari emigrated with Anna on the ship "Claus Heftige" in 1867. Bertha Johannesdatter (26) on the same ship is Anna's half-sister.
They have the same mother, but Berthas father is Johannes Torsteinsson Seim (11 Feb 1815 - 23 Jul 1861)
This familytree says Anna died 05 Dec 1913 in Utica, Wis.
Notes by Oddvar Natvik:
08.02.2003: Anna is a daughter of Kari Pedersdotter, born out of wedlock in Hafslo. She grew up at Seim, and went with her mother and family to USA. Anna was confirmed on 06.08.1854, living at Seim.
13.03.2009: Jacon Vedvik write in a letter of 26.11.1990: ...a death record for a Mrs Anna Jackson, who was born November 2, 1838 in Norway and died December 5, 1913 in the Town of Utica at the age of 75 years, 1 month and 3 days. Her parent's names were given as Johannes Torstenson and Kari Sime. She probably is buried in the Utica Lutheran Church Cemetery. She was a widow at the time of her death." This is much likely Anna Andersdr who Kari had with Anders Lingjerde, Hafslo. The birth date matches pretty well. Anna went along with her mother Kari to America.
Anna's stepfather was Johannes Torstenson Seim who married Kari Pedersdr in 1841.
Jan Peter
Whoa Whoa--- Jacon Vedvik.... That is huge--- Jakob Vedvik runs something called the Hauge Norwegian Museum in Crawford County, Wisconsin. Guess where I am now heading on Sept 9th!
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2011 : 00:28:38
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Hi,
From the marriage record copy supplied (thanks for same) it appears that Andrew and Anna were not married in the church of which they were founding members (see secular & S. L. D Layton might be a judge or even a ship's captain)...
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/09/2011 00:30:13 |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
185 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2011 : 16:49:42
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Well, Good news on this topic. I called the Utica Church in Wisconsin and the pastor called me back this week. Gave me 2 peoples phone numbers in charge of the archives. The one with the church archive turns has the last name Sime!!!! Turns out she is a half cousin to my grandmother. (Small world). It gets better......
The other one who has the cemetery records is also a half cousin. She is from the ancestral line of that Andrew Sime that Anna had out of wedlock. (1880 census). No it was not Anders Jackson (Bruvoll) son. Turns out it was someone by the name of Ole Josvanjer. After he found out Anna was pregnant, he took off a few counties away and left them. Not only that, but she is also living on the exact same farm that my grandmother was born and raised in. (Really small world) We are glad that mystery got solved within a week. We are meeting them both on Sept 9th. Thanks again guys. Hopefully the records will tell us what Ander Jackson Bruvoll former wife might've been and who was the mother of lil Jakob. |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 09:17:39
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Just to confirm that the Sime family, especially found in Vernon og Crawford, Wis., originates from Seim in Årdal, Sogn og Fjordane.
T. T. Sime (=Tosten T. Sime) (=Tosten Anderssen)
Born 20 FEB 1855, Seim, Årdal, Sogn & Fjordane
Parents: Anders Tostensen Seim & Anna Svendsdr Natvik
Jan Peter
Is there any relation to this T.T. Sime and My Anna Anderson Sime???
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