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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 10/09/2011 : 12:00:03
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Hi
If related not obvious. Each of their father's are named Anders but Anna's is Anders Asbjørnsen and Tosten's is Anders Tostenson. Would require research to find possible connections.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2011 : 15:49:05
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Hi,
Anna's stepfather Johannes Torstenson Seim is the brother to T.T.'s father Anders Tostensen Seim.
Thus; although possibly not blood-related, Anna & T.T. can be looked at as first cousins.
T.T's parents:
Anders Tostensen Seim (1830 - Abt 1865); parents: Tosten Nielsen Seim & Britha Johannesdtr
Anna Svendsdr Natvik; parents Svend Olsen Seim & Inga Monsdatter
Anna Andersons' parents:
Kari Pedersdtr Natvik; parents Per Olsson Melheim & Anna Hermundsdtr Kinsedal
Anders Asbjørnson Lingjerde; parents ?
Johannes Torstenson Seim (stepfahter) (1815-1861), parents: Torstein Nilsson Øren (1776-1832) & Brita Johannesdtr Seim, b. 1793
It's likely Anders Tostensen Seim (1830 - Abt 1865) first came to Dane Co., WI, most likely to Cottage Grove, where brother Nils and his family lived. Later, about 1861, the family went to Crawford County, WI, where there was a large population of families from Årdal. They settled just south of Mt. Sterling, in 'the Town of Freeman'.
Maxine Swiggum is a descendant.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 10/09/2011 16:05:51 |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
185 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2011 : 17:08:35
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OK-
I went to the Utica Church to meet the ladies and solved quite a few mysteries. We met the people in charge of the Church records. Most interesting that the church records they kept at the church back in the 1880 were exactly like the parish records kept in Norway. We found confirmation records, Marriage and baptism records, etc.
Back to the ladies we met, their records were a little different then from mine. They had that T. T. Seim on their family tree but I did not see it on mine. (I did see a grave stone with the name Swiggum at the church). The lady with the T. T. Seim was a direct descendent of her husband. I am keeping in touch with them (They were extremely nice ladies with very good families). And Also we had Joyce and Normon Fryseth. They now own the farm that my grandmother lived in. Joyce is related to the Andrew Seim that was born out of wedlock from Anna Anderson and the unknown man. The unknown man turned out to be a man by the name of Ole Josvanger. He took off when Anna got pregnant. He died in De Soto Wisconsin just a few miles away. (Anna and Ole were never married apparently even though they list her as widow in the 1880 census records.)
To solve the other mystery, I found out who was the mother of Jakob Jackson. If you guys recall, 1880 census records showed that Andrew Jackson (Anna husband) is listed as widow with 4 year old Jakob Jackson living with him. Found out they the mother was a woman by the name of Sela Larsdatter (Voldum), When she emigrated, her name became Sela L. Voldum. They were married and had a child which was Jakob Jackson. WHat I also found out was they also had a second child "Sila" born on Nov 7, 1877. When Sila was born, Sela passed away less then 3 weeks later on Nov 31, 1877. Cause of death unknown but I am thinking maybe preclampsia. Unfortunately, The baby "Sila" died a few years later on Aug 15, 1879. Known why.
I have since modified the family tree. Did any of you guys want to see some of the pictures of the records they kept at the church?? I was thinking about gettting them digitalized with a scanner for them since the books have begun falling apart and some pages are going missing.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2011 : 18:42:39
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Hi,
this is your Ole Josvanger:
Ole Larsen
Birth: 11 DEC 1853
Christening: 25 DEC 1853 Hafslo, Sogn Og Fjordane, Norway
Parents: Lars Larsen Jøsvanger & Ragnild Bendiksdr.
Ole later married a woman named Louise, and can be found in Vernon, Wis. He died in Oct 1932 and is buried in DeSoto. Son Andrew, born to Anna Sime on 07 Dec 1875.
Source
Census-1865
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 10/09/2011 19:05:38 |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
185 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2011 : 00:48:35
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Any idea on this Sela Larsdatter Voldum?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2011 : 01:02:14
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Sila Larsdatter Voldum from Lærdal, Sogn og Fjordane, emigrated to America on 11 MAY 1870 on the ship Gazelle, with father and 4 siblings. She was born 06 FEB 1838 to parents Lars Jacobsen Hillestad and Sønneva Tostensdr.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 11/09/2011 01:09:37 |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
185 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2011 : 18:57:09
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Awesome, thank you. My problem is there are so many Simes that it is difficult to track. It is going to take time to sort out. I figured eith all the Sime down there that i believed that there was a for sure connect but i now think it is possible to be a Sime but not half blood related. Am i wrong?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2011 : 23:21:43
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Everything is possible. You can't assume a relationship based only on the lastname. To find a connection, you must rely on the church books and censuses.
You can also use the familytree I previously linked to. It contain 978 entries with last name = Seim.
You are very fortunate to have so many of your ancestors from Sogn & Fjordane, where the old documentation are well preserved. When in doubt, the church books should be used for confirmation, since familytrees are know for their errors...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 12/09/2011 00:08:20 |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
185 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2011 : 06:49:28
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I agree. Thanks for the tip, I am just trying to sort out the last names. They live roughly 300 miles away and I need more then just an afternoon with them. We were getting some Anna Anderson Seims mixed up. I did find this however....
This I believe is the Clara (Kari) Pedersdatter (Anderson) that we saw was Anna Andersons mother.
(View the marriage certificate)
Cant make out the name above Kari but it looks like Hermund....
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Edited by - Lukeduk1980 on 12/09/2011 06:57:10 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2011 : 07:46:26
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Cant make out the name above Kari but it looks like Hermund....
- it reads "Herunder hviler støvet af"
last line is "Hvil i fred".
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2011 : 13:12:57
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Some notes to the headstone.
The date of death corresponds to the familytree
But:
D.o.b. is different... 06-Nov-1812 vs 05-Dec-1813
The headstone says "J." (most likely short for Johannesdr). It should have said "P.", short for Pedersdatter.
Could there have been a namesake Kari Johannesdatter Seim in the same area? Just wondering...
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
185 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2011 : 17:16:29
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
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185 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2011 : 17:34:12
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| I don't believe there was another Kari but anything is possible. Best to check the census records. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2011 : 17:47:18
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Hi,
You don't know what the J stands for. Might it not be just an abbreviation of her husband's name Johannes, so that everyone is aware which Seim she is the Mrs of (vs any other Kari Sime)?
The date is another issue which could be vetted by looking at the baptismal records for a Kari born on the date on the stone. Sometimes there are babies which die and the next baby is given their name and through the years the records get blurred which baby's data are being recorded with which child / adult. There may be a reason why one date is preferred by a family over another.
Do the church registers give the identical information on Kari's burial or someother data?
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
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185 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2011 : 18:38:34
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Hi,
You don't know what the J stands for. Might it not be just an abbreviation of her husband's name Johannes, so that everyone is aware which Seim she is the Mrs of (vs any other Kari Sime)?
The date is another issue which could be vetted by looking at the baptismal records for a Kari born on the date on the stone. Sometimes there are babies which die and the next baby is given their name and through the years the records get blurred which baby's data are being recorded with which child / adult. There may be a reason why one date is preferred by a family over another.
Do the church registers give the identical information on Kari's burial or someother data?
Jackie M.
Didn't have enough time to check death records. I mainly got confirmation records and marriage records from the register. 100 year old books. |
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