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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/02/2012 :  22:17:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Possibly the source of the querist's names?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F373-LXG

Here is the querist's database at www.rootsweb.com.

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=delange2011&id=I1119

Just from the bit I've seen, I don't think the Ole T. Vasbo, father of Theodore Vasbo in the 1900 census in Montana is the same as the father of Jonas Vasbo.

Here is a (may not be the the)Jonas' arrival #974 at www.ellisisland.org:

www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=05488120970901904960&FNM=JONAS&LNM=VASBO&PLNM=VASBO&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&RF=1&pID=103043020274&" target="_blank">http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=05488120970901904960&FNM=JONAS&LNM=VASBO&PLNM=VASBO&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&RF=1&pID=103043020274&

Edited by - jkmarler on 05/02/2012 22:58:19
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/02/2012 :  22:55:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the birth / baptism of a Jonas Olsen Vasbø, #51:

Kildeinformasjon: Rogaland fylke, Bjerkreim i Helleland, Klokkerbok nr. B 3 (1847-1886), Fødte og døpte 1876, side 78.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15777&idx_id=15777&uid=ny&idx_side=-79

He was born in August 1876 and his father appears to be the younger Ole in the 1865 Vasbø farm family (Ole Andreas) but definitely needs more study.


Here is the birth baptism #54 of a Jonas Olson son of Ole Tollefson Hovland and Talletta Johnsdatter:

Kildeinformasjon: Rogaland fylke, Bjerkreim i Helleland, Klokkerbok nr. B 3 (1847-1886), Fødte og døpte 1872, side 65.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15777&idx_id=15777&uid=ny&idx_side=-66

This Jonas was born 31 Aug 1872....

Edited by - jkmarler on 05/02/2012 23:07:59
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RDeLange
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Posted - 05/02/2012 :  23:06:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you so much for all the good infromation. Almost certain that Teodor was the person in the Ellis Island entry. His father was already in Montana as was his brother, Jonas. I will go with his birth as 27 Mar 1885. Naming in Norway is very confusing. The surname is taken from the town or farm? The 1865 census for Hytland og Orsdalen looks like this family. Do I asign the surname as Villiens? forename Tollef? What does Sokn mean? Pretegjeld? Gard? Would I use Aslaksdatter, Tallete as mother's name? Marriage 16 Nov 1883? For our genealogical purposes I should list the children as Villiens? With Tollefson and Tollefsdater as middle names? I found the census where they were living with Eik family. appears that Ane (Anna) died before 1900.

RED
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/02/2012 :  23:13:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, frankly, if this were my search, I'd be more careful about saying for certain that you have the right relationships with the right names....
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Hopkins
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Posted - 05/02/2012 :  23:30:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ralph -
Naming isn't that simple for emigrants. They could call themselves anything they wanted to in the US. As long as there is no intent to defraud - you can still call yourself anything!

Online study material to learn about traditional Norwegian naming practices and patterns.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/farms.htm

I recommend that you track ALL the names you find for any Norwegian ancestor and make good notes of where and when that name or variation was found.

You know how to use the Norwegian parish church records? the censuses?
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eibache
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Posted - 05/02/2012 :  23:47:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Names, dates and different findings indicate that it would be worth while to restart from square 1.
Who is the person with a definite name and dates that family info is being asked for?

Jonas "John" Olsen Vasbo b: 4 SEP 1874 (he was born Sept 4 1873) and Theodore "Ted" Vasbo b: APR 1885 (he was born April 27 1885) were not brothers!

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 06/02/2012 00:26:58
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/02/2012 :  23:52:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A short summary of the persons it started with, I am a bit confused.

Ole Tollefsen b.1837 and Talette Johannesdater b. 1840 never emigrated.
A son Jonas b. on Hovland in Ørsdalen Sept. 4. 1873, confirmated Oct. 2. 1887, did he emigrate ?

The parents on Vatsbø/Vasbø in 1875 with two sons, Jonas 1873 and Tollef 1868.

Tollef was born in Sirdal municipality Jan. 15. 1868, see #5

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 06/02/2012 00:49:41
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/02/2012 :  00:02:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bjerkreim 1900.

Tollef inherit or bought Bjerkreim from his parents, he married Ingeborg Tollefsdatter, 5 children in 1900, a servant maid Tholine and both parents as former owners on Bjerkreim
Tollef was temporary living on Vasbø in 1900.

Ole and Talette, former owners, on Bjerkreim 1910 with two grandschildren, Teodora and Teodor.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 06/02/2012 00:30:41
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/02/2012 :  00:38:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Jonas Olson in the family born in 1872 dies early, #22:

Source information: Rogaland county, Bjerkreim in Helleland, Parish register copy nr. B 3 (1847-1886), Death and burial records 1872, page 246.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15777&idx_id=15777&uid=ny&idx_side=-246
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RDeLange
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Posted - 06/02/2012 :  05:30:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All still very confusing. Almost certain that Thoeodore, born 1905, is the son of Jonas. Shown in the Montana census. Also that the Theodor who emigrated at age 14, born 1885, is the son of Ole, born May 1859, who also emigrated to Montana. The marriage record for Jonas Vasboe in 1903 lists his father as Ole Vasbo and mother Tilda johnson. That would almost certainly make him the brother of Theodore. Still trying to sort out the parents and grandparents of Jonas. Really appreciate all the effort so far. Hoping it continues.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/02/2012 :  10:28:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have we been searching a wrong family?
I have a Teodor Olsen born March 27. 1885 on Vasbø to parents Ole Tormundsen Vasbø and Talette Aslaksdatter, see#22

Ole Tormundsen was born on Vasbø Mai. 22. 1859 to Tormund Torkildsen Vasbø and Bodil Kristine Gunleifsdatter, see #32.

Widower Tormund Torkilsen Vasbø b. Jan. 20. 1823 and Bodil Kristine Gunlefsdatter Myrland age 25 married in Sirdal parish Nov. 11. 1855.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 06/02/2012 12:39:25
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eibache
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Posted - 06/02/2012 :  11:09:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Based on the querist's database and Jonas "John" Olsen Vasbo b: 4 SEP 1874 in Orsdalen,Bjerkreim Parish,Vasbo,Norway, the following is meant to clear up some mistakes.

Ole Tollefsen and Thalette Johannesdatter were married April 19 1865, see #2
Kildeinformasjon: Rogaland fylke, Bjerkreim i Helleland, Klokkerbok nr. B 3 (1847-1886), Ekteviede 1865, side 175.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15777&idx_id=15777&uid=ny&idx_side=-182
Children:
Malena born Dec 3 1865 at Osen in Sirdal, see#72
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Tonstad, Ministerialbok nr. A 2 (1855-1874), Fødte og døpte 1865, side 92.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=950&idx_id=950&uid=ny&idx_side=-92
Tollef born Jan 15 1868 at Osen in Sirdal, see #5
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Sirdal, Klokkerbok nr. B 2 (1848-1878), Fødte og døpte 1868, side 87.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9823&idx_id=9823&uid=ny&idx_side=-88
Jonas born Aug 31 1872, bapt at home same day died same day.
Jonas born Sept 4 1873 at Hovland in Ørsdalen, see #56
Kildeinformasjon: Rogaland fylke, Bjerkreim i Helleland, Klokkerbok nr. B 3 (1847-1886), Fødte og døpte 1873, side 69.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15777&idx_id=15777&uid=ny&idx_side=-70

Theodore Ted Vasbo recorded as the brother to Jonas John Olsen Vasbo in the Rootsweb tree is not correct:
Theodor Olsen, Vasbo 14 years old arriving at Ellis Island 1899 came from Flekkefjord, ticket was paid by the father and his destination was Columbus?, Mont(ana)
Confirmation record for Theodor Olsen, Søiland see #1 of May 28 1899 in Flekkefjord
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Nes i Flekkefjord, Ministerialbok nr. A 9 (1899-1909), Konfirmerte 1899, side 98.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4684&idx_id=4684&uid=ny&idx_side=-79.
He was born April 27 1885 at Vasbø, Helleland, Bjerkreim and his parents were Ole Tormundsen, Vasbø and Talette Aslaksdatter. (The baptismal record says Theodor was born March 27 1885 and baptized May 10 1885.)
The father of Theodore Vasbo, recorded as 14 years old in the 1900 census, is Ole Tormundsen Vasbo.

Jonas John Olsens father was Ole Tollefsen born approx 1837, his parents were Tollef Larsen, Hytland and Karen Tormodsdatter. In 1865 their son Tønnes is using Hovland
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=14&filnamn=f61115&gardpostnr=312&personpostnr=2037&merk=2037#ovre

Jonas John Olsens mother was Thalette Johannesdatter born approx 1840, her parents were Johannes Børildsen, Store Hovland and Malene Tollefsdatter. Johannes was a widower in 1865
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f61115&gardpostnr=309&personpostnr=2008&merk=2008#ovre

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 06/02/2012 13:30:28
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/02/2012 :  13:29:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RDeLange

Subject : Ole Tollefson Hovland Vasbo b. May 1859 Norway and the first line of inquiry: Seeking information on this family. Said to have been born in Bjerkreim Parish, Vasbo. Married to Toletta Johnsdotter Johnson born abt 1850 Norway. Emigtated to Montana, USA.


The querist's original subject information and statement represented a hybridization of facts:

"Ole Tollefson Hovland" and "Tolletta Johnsdatter Johnson" the names of the parents of his ancestor Jonas Vasbo were generated from things like Jonas' marriage record in Montana (and possibly repeated in other unseen records as well as the information about Bjerkreim parish, Vasbo)

And

The biographical information developed on Ole T. Vasbo, another resident of Montana, such as his birth month and year (May 1859) and his relationship with Theodore Vasbo, his son, and his migration to Montana, were hybridized.

Use of a rare surname (Vasbo) in US where inheriting a surname is the norm could make such a relationship seem possible, especially when the first name matches and geographic location matches, etc.

So you "throw it on the wall" and see what sticks.

Edited by - jkmarler on 06/02/2012 13:36:49
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RDeLange
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Posted - 07/02/2012 :  21:44:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks again for the clarity. It would appear that Theodore "Ted" was related, but in what way is unclear. He was destined for Columbus, Montana, where Ole and the others were at the time. I will correct my records. Is it possible that Ole Tollefson and Ole Tormundsen were brothers?

RED
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/02/2012 :  23:26:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Is it possible that Ole Tollefson and Ole Tormundsen were brothers


Probably not, following Norwegian nomenclature, one father should be named Tollef and the other Tormud. But Ole Tormudsen could have had two brothers. One named Torkild Tormudsen Vasbo and the other Torger Tormudsen Vasbo. Those names are given as witnesses for the baptism of Tedor Olson Vasbo whose father was Ole Tormudsen Vasbo and mother was Talete Aslakdsdatter. Look again at the baptism record, links have been posted by others including Jacikie.

This link was posted about three times above but here it is again. #22

Edited by - AntonH on 08/02/2012 00:37:24
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