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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
 Posted - 17/02/2014 : 18:18:10
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Woohoo!. Here are all the J starting last names at 748 Myrtle Cedar Aloe. There are a lot of folks there. Chronologically, near his dates are mostly Germanic sounding names, Graff, Irl etc.:
Christian Johnson 3 02/12/1878
Mr. Johnson 33 09/24/1867
John Johanessen 52 08/23/1882
It also has a link to a nicely detailed obituary index but John Johannsen d. 1927 is not listed and I know I read at least 2 notices about him & his service at genealogybank.com Mystery about John jr is solved he's indexed as Johannen instead of Johannsen.
Interesting there are quite a few Johansen (varied spellings) at a plot called "Norwegian's Rest" in Greenwood cemetery, including a Jorg Johansen d. 1914.
By the by, the links posted to the Obituary search only bring up the search engine. You'd probably have to copy and paste the info.
Did not find any Johannesen with the deathdate of 23 Aug 1882 at the newspaper index site. Lots of Johns however but no Johannesens of any spelling for that year. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 20/02/2014 23:14:53 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/02/2014 : 19:41:21
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A J Johannessen crew member on two ships. Probably dates would exclude him our search.
View Record
A J Johannessen
abt 1888 4 Apr 1938 Hamburg, Germany Meanticut
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A J Johannessen
abt 1888 10 Oct 1921 Lisbon West Chetac
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2014 : 19:45:04
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Three different Joen Johannessen, or at least three different birth dates. All of them crew members, middle one is danish.
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Joen Johannessen
abt 1858 26 Oct 1910 Ceiba, Honduras Navigator
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Joen Johnsen
abt 1878 29 Sep 1931 Helsingfors Vilja
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Joen Johnson
abt 1901 22 Jun 1937 Puerto Barrios Lysefjord |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/02/2014 : 19:50:19
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Bethany, I am guessing you don't have the birth record for John/Jurgen b ca 1869, is that right? Do you have his death record? (Referring to John/Jurgen b 1869) The death record might list his full birth date (day-month-year). If so, that full birth date can be used to help in the search of New Orleans records for John/Jurgen's birth record. The birth record will state both his mother and father. A wealth of original jpgs of church book pages seems to be available online, and microfilm rental is available through the Latter Day Saints for additional birth records. It seems some or most of this material is not indexed and available to digital, online search engines. Each page must be browsed. It begins to look like this task, while tedious, might be essential to establishing the identity of your ancestor.
Another way, more round about, is to find a marriage record for John/Jurgen's parents. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2014 : 20:02:57
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Back at HeritageQuest found this interesting fellow:
JOHANNSEN JOHN 29 M W RUSS LA ORLEANS 6-WD NEW ORLEANS 1870
Birthplace is clearly written as Russia, occupation:painter and is marked a a US citizen.
In the household is an apparently single woman age 34 born Bavaria who is occupied with a "retail grocery store". Her name is Margaret Smith. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2014 : 20:09:58
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Three different Joen Johannessen, or at least three different Joen Johnsen
abt 1878 29 Sep 1931 Helsingfors Vilja
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Joen Johnson
abt 1901 22 Jun 1937 Puerto Barrios Lysefjord
Vilja, Helsingfors is Finnish
And Lysefjord is Norwegian
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 17/02/2014 : 23:14:18
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| Thanks everyone for trying to help me find out more about my Norwegian great great grandfather. Jane, no I don't have a death certificate. The state of Louisiana will not mail it to me unless I have a US address. I am currently living in Canada. I have done extensive searches on both Ancestry.com and Family Search, the LDS site. All that comes up is a record of his death in Louisiana and the exact date of death, but nothing for his birth except "born about 1830". His son, was born in Louisiana in 1869, so that sounds correct age wise. In my great grandfather's census records, it is stated several times that his father's birthplace was Norway. But even before seeing these Census records, I knew he was from Norway because that is what my whole family told me growing up. As my mother passed away 15 years ago, I recently contacted my aunt, and she told me the same thing again. He could very well have married his wife (who is listed as born in Germany) in the US. My family had no idea how old he was when he came to America. I searched ship records and Norwegian birth records but there are SO many Johannsens. And then there is the complication of surnames at that time in Norway. I'm guessing his surname was Johannsen when he came to America. because that is the name he passed down to all of us. But his father's last name could have been different. (Not Johann's son, but someone else's son). I really need his full name and date of birth, I realize, to go any further. I just can't seem to get that information at the moment. When funds are more plentiful, we'd like to make a trip to New Orleans to check things out. There is a Johannsen tomb in New Orleans (I saw it the only time I was there......in 1983.....I was just a kid, but I remember this family tomb. I've searched all the cemetaries I could find online (and Find a Grave website also), but they do not show a lising of all the graves. If ypu have any other ideas, I would be so grateful. Thanks again! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2014 : 23:58:57
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| Bethany, does your aunt live in America? Maybe she would provide an address for you to receive the death certificate of John Johannsen d. 1959. That certificate may contain both of his parents' names, if known as well as his exact date of birth, important information. No siblings are mentioned as surviving for either John d. 1959 or Emma d 1974 in their obits. You can get a temporary trial membership at genealogybank.com for $10 and download all the articles (lots of stories about John who d. 1927) etc published in the Times-Picayune. |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 02:38:07
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| Thanks again, everyone. That is a good idea. I will see if a cousin who I just got in contact with for the very first time ever, a few weeks ago, will forward on the death certificate if I order one. As for my great grandfather John/Jurgen Johannsen......the reason why I believe he was born in Louisiana is because that is what it says on all the Census records. I assume that his father must have emigrated before him, in order for his son to be born in Louisiana in 1869. It is all very confusing, and my aunt, now 81, doesn't know any more than I do about dates and birth places, etc... But she did confirm, like the rest of my family from the past (and the Census records) that our relative was from Norway. It is all very confusing. The John Jr. you find, born in 1896 was my grandfather's brother, who died tragically two weeks before his wedding to my grandmother. My grandmother later married his brother (Ernest Josepf Johannsen) who was my grandfather. I know I have the correct Census records for John/Jurgen Johannsen born in 1869, because I recognize the street address, his wife's name and all seven of his children's names and their birth years. I knew two of my great aunts as a child. I sure wish they were here now to answer some of these auestions. I am not 100% sure about the supposed father born in 1830. It came up attached to my great grandfather on one of the sites. I can't remember which at the moment, and just tried to find the attachment now but couldn't. |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 02:48:09
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| I just replied but it didn't post for some reason. I will try to remember what I wrote. Thanks, JKMarler, for the Greenwood cemetary lead. i will look into that. I know the John/Jurgen Johannsen (my great grandfather) records to be accurate, as I recognize his street address in New Orleans, as well as the names of his wife and all seven children, and their birth years. I knew two of my great aunts as a child. I visited one of them in New Orleans and saw the house they all grew up in. I sure wish they were here now to answer a couple of these questions. My aunt, who is now 81, does not have any more information than I do regarding dates and birth places. But I just got in contact for the very first time with a cousin, a few weeks ago. I will ask her if she will forward a death certificate if I order one. I am not 100% sure about the great great father born about 1830, but his death record was attached to my great father's on one of the sites. I'm not sure which one at the moment. I just tried to find it again but wasn't able to. I assume John/Jurgen Johannsen's father emigrated before 1869, in order for his son to be born in Louisiana that year. But who knows. It is all very confusing. |
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Edited by - BethanyJohannsen on 18/02/2014 02:49:26 |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 02:51:20
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| Oops, I see the first post now. Sorry for the repeat. |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 02:56:29
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Hi Jane,
To answer your question about the Census records: I found Census records from 1920,1930 and 1940. But no earlier than that.
Thanks,
Bethany |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 03:16:31
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Originally posted by JaneC
Bethany, would you please post your records for your great-grandfather John/Jurgen Johannsen? Although you are not asking for help finding out about him, information about him leads to his father and might hold clues that one person didn't spot, but another person might. Of particular interest are any documents you've accumulated (family archives or public records) not readily available online.
> "I am not 100% sure about the great great father born about 1830, but his death record was attached to my great father's on one of the sites." <
Okay, so we don't know the name of the father of Jurgen (aka John) Johannssen 1869-1959. This is what I had suspected.
Ancestry.com has a system of "hints" that pop up when you are searching on that website. A hint directs you to look at a suggested record. The search engine has found some similarities between your search and that record, but it's up to you to decide if the record actually applies in your case. In fact, the hint might not be a correct record for your ancestor at all. If your choice of "John Johannessen ca 1830-1882" is based only on an Ancestry hint, and nothing else, no other source, then we can throw out that name and start over.
Put another way: the search engine isn't saying "Here's your record." It's saying, "Whaddya think???"
At this point I kinda get the idea you do not have the birth, marriage, death records asked about. One or some similar source will be necessary, to establish his parents' names.
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 04:02:59
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Hi JKMarler,
Wow, you all found so much information in such a short time. You obviously know what you're doing. My husband and I just re-read all your posts one more time. It is such a mystery and so confusing at this point. My next move will certainly be to order some records from Louisiana, and ask my cpusin to forward them on to me. I just wanted to clarify and ask about John Jr. who died in 1927. He died in Lake Arrowhead, not Los Angeles. My mom had told me the story several times growing up. Just a few days ago, I found a newspaper article in the San Bernardino County Sun paper dated July 20, 1927. It does not mention anyone from Idaho, but it states at the end that a brothercame to claim the body. I wondered where he might have been buried. He had only been in California a short time. Was he buried at the family tomb back in New Orleans? You said Metairie. Where is that?
Oh, and one last thing: yes, my great grandfather was a wheelwright. According to my mom, one of his wheels was put in a museum. I looked but didn't find anything.
Society of Druids? Is that a Masonic society? My mom mentionned that someone was a Mason. I can't remember if it was my grandfather or great grandfather.
As soon as I reçeive any death certificates, I will let you know if I found out anything.
Thanks again (tusen takk! I am learning Norwegian at the moment :-) ) for all ypur effort. Greatly appreciated! |
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