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BethanyJohannsen
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 Posted - 18/02/2014 : 04:12:45
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Hi Jane,
I am not that good with computers but will see if I can send the links I found on Ancestry, etc.... Those are the only records I have. You are correct, I have no official documents, such as marriage or death certificates. I tried to order them but Lousisana won't send outside the US. I will see if my newly found cousin will send them to me. Thanks for the idea. I will get back to you all once I have those documents. Thanks again! |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 04:15:23
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Oh my, I just saw the previous reply. It was not my intention to ignore any of you. For some reason, I only received two notifications of responses to this thread, in my inbox. One tonight and one after the first response. I didn't realize there had been so many replies until tonight.
Sorry. Bethany |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 04:25:55
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Originally posted by BethanyJohannsen
Hi Jane, I am not that good with computers but will see if I can send the links I found on Ancestry, etc.... Those are the only records I have. You are correct, I have no official documents, such as marriage or death certificates. I tried to order them but Lousisana won't send outside the US. I will see if my newly found cousin will send them to me. Thanks for the idea. I will get back to you all once I have those documents. Thanks again!
Great, but don't go to the bother to repost records that someone else already posted. FYI Ancestry links don't work (many forum volunteers do not subscribe), so it's probably better to copy and paste transcriptions of any new records from there. |
Edited by - JaneC on 20/02/2014 23:08:31 |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 05:14:22
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Yes, we've been trying to copy and paste the findings on Ancestry for the past hour. Are you saying I should not try to post them? These are the only documents I have, so if they are of no use, i have nothing else yet to post. I will post again once the official marriage and death certificates are received. All I can say with certainty, is that John/Jurgen Johannsen, my great grandfather, was a wheelwright who lived in New Orleans, born 1869, married Emma Wiegel 1895 and had seven children (John Jr., Carrie, Laura, Ernest, Charles, Jules, Anna). He is the oldest Johannsen of whom I am absolutely certain is my relative. I thought the John Johannsen (born 1830, died 1882) was my great great grandfather, but only because of a link or suggested tip found online.
Here we go: http://www.nicolasgrignon.com/bethany/jjj.jpg
http://www.nicolasgrignon.com/bethany/1940-census.jpg
http://www.nicolasgrignon.com/bethany/1930-censusj.jpg
http://www.nicolasgrignon.com/bethany/1920-census.jpg
http://www.nicolasgrignon.com/bethany/famtree.jpg
http://www.nicolasgrignon.com/bethany/JohnJr-1895.jpg |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 09:49:18
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Okay, the obits for John Johannsen d 1927, John Johannsen d 1959 and Emma d 1974 each say their final resting place is Metairie cemetery. Funeral services for John pere and Emma were through House of Bultman, which may or may not still be in operation. Apparently no longer in operation due to Katrina. A number of papers of the business still exist:
http://library.uno.edu/specialcollections/inventories/344.htm
At findagrave there was this information about Metairie:
Metairie and Lake Lawn Metairie
"Cemetery notes and/or description:
These cemeteries are directly next to each other. For the purposes of Findagrave they are being placed together. Please make a note on the memorial page referencing which cemetery the interment is located in.
NOTE: This cemetery is not the same as Lake Lawn Park Cemetery and Mausoleum. The Lake Lawn Metairie Funeral Home at 504-486-6331, services both cemeteries. Call them to see which cemetery your loved on is buried in."
Sometimes the sexton's records of a cemetery contain more information than what is in the person's obituary. They are much less likely to care about mailing records (why hack off a potential customer?) than a state office. So ask for their help!
You could call to find if this is the correct Metairie. There is another Metairie cemetery in findagrave which they locate in Jefferson parish. But there are very few burials listed there.
At Greenwood cemetery site (Jane's post) there is a great search engine which allows you to look by surname, check who all is in the same plot and then to arrange the burial information by name or date of death etc. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 11:38:57
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Possible candidates for John Johannsen born in Norway between 1828-1832
Firstname John, Jon, Joen, Johan; Johannes.
Order; Born/bap - Parents - Parish - County.
- April 3. 1830, Johannes Johnsen and Ingeborg Pedersdatter, Eid, Sogn & Fjordane
- June 6. 1830, Johannes Sivertsen and Ane Johnsdatter, Fræna, Møre & Romsdal
- Feb. 20. 1830, Johannes Jacobsen and Mari Olsdatter, Romedal, Hedmark
- March 14. 1830, Johannes Jacobsen and Mari Olsdatter, Romedal, Hedmark
- Feb. 20. 1830, Johannes Olsen and Gro Johnsdatter, Attraa, Telemark
- Jan. 17. 1829; Johannes Østensen and Anne Johnnesdatter , Askvoll, Sogn & Fjordane
- Dec. 30. 1832 (bap) Johannes Østensen and Anne Johnsdatter, Askvoll, Sogn & Fjordane
- Feb. 25. 1829, Johannes Bjørnsen and Ingeborg Thorsdatter, Dypvåg, Aust-Agder
- feb. 26. 1831, Johannes Olsen and Maren Jensdatter, Hamarøy, Nordland
- April 15. 1831 Johannes Tørrisen and Ingeborg Johnsdatter, Skånevik, Hordaland
- August 24. 1829, Johannes Arntsen and Anne Pedersdatter, Verran, Nord-Trøndelag
- Sept. 20. 1831, Johannes Johnsen and Martha Lisbeth Rasmusdatter, Haugesund, Rogaland
- July 17. 1831 (bap) Johannes Olsen and Maren Endresdatter, Tysvær, Rogaland
- Oct. 7. 1829, Johannes Johannesen and Gonne Olsdatter, Hedmark (county)
- Jan. 5. 1829, Johannes Olsen and Eli Johnsdatter, Fjeldberg, Hordaland
- Dec. 29. 1828, John Johannesen and Berit Johnsdatter, Kvernes, Møre & Romsdal
- March 18. 1831, Johannes Johnsen and Inger Trondsdatter, Holla, Telemark
- Mai 5. 1828, Johannes Johnsen and Berith Olsdatter, Ålen, Sør-Trøndelag
- June 8. 1828, Johannes Larsen and Brithe Johnsdatter, Haus, Hordaland
- June 12. 1828, Johannes Johnsen and Martha Johansdatter, Haus, Hordaland
- Nov. 4. 1832 (bap) Johannes Jensen and Margrethe Andersdatter, Korskirken, Bergen, Hordaland
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 22:25:47
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Thank you, JKMarler!
I had searched Find a Grave and several New Orleans cemetaries but never came across the Johannsen tomb I remember seeing as a child.
I will contact Metairie. Thanks again!
I tried to order death and martiage certificates last night. I now have a US address for them to be mailed to, and someone to forward them on to me. But the State of Louisiana website insists on my knowing the person's full name (including middle name), as well as complete birth date. If I knew those things, I might not need the certificates in the first place. So this is another snag.
Anyway, I will try the cemetary. They may have that information.
By the way, it's a good thing I checked the thread spontaneously today. There was no notification of your reply in my inbox.
Thanks so much for your help! Have a great day.
By the way, I was wondering how you were able to find the obit information. I have searched on Find a Grave too many times to count (including just now again), and absolutely nothing comes up under Emma or John/Jurgen's names. |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 22:28:54
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Thank you, Kaarto! I will look into those one at a time. It is exciting
to think that one of the people on that list might be his parents. |
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Edited by - BethanyJohannsen on 18/02/2014 23:15:59 |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 22:36:37
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| Re: Greenwood Cemetary. I had searched the family name several times. Nothing comes up. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 23:32:52
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Originally posted by BethanyJohannsen
Thank you, JKMarler!
I tried to order death and martiage certificates last night. I now have a US address for them to be mailed to, and someone to forward them on to me. But the State of Louisiana website insists on my knowing the person's full name (including middle name), as well as complete birth date.
You have their names exactly as they appear from the database and the date of the marriage, so therefore the marriage record should be available--or am I missing something?
The obits are at genealogybank.com. Take a short term subscription or the $10 / 1 month trial sub and gather the records. Use the free obituary search engine at the New Orleans Public Library to pick up any you might miss at genealogybank.com. Genealogybank.com, as other newspaper sites, uses OCR (optical character reading) technologies and there are still a fair number of misreads or overlooks or even false positives using it, so do both to clean it up.
New Orleans Public Library Obituary Search Engine:
http://neworleanspubliclibrary.org/obits/obits.htm
As far as I know there isn't an automatic notification of response posts at this site so you have to be proactive and look while your topic is still hot and on page 1. You are also able to delete your own posts when you find a duplicate post as you experienced on a recent page. And you are also able to edit them (as you have already done on one or two.) Also refresh your screen after posting because the new post may not show up until you do. |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 23:43:20
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Thanks. I just contacted Metairie and am awaiting their response. I will look at GeneologyBank after work tonight. I did receive two notifications from Norway Heritage of replies to this thread.....one yesterday and one some days earlier, so that is odd. Anyway, I will keep checking in daily as long as the thread is active, regardless.
Regarding names: No, I don't have middle names (unless I missed something). The state of Lousiana requires middle names, to order certificates. The John/ Jurgen name isn't clear either. On one Census it says John Johannsen, on another it says Jurgen Johannsen. No middle name. Then there is the father who supposedly came from Norway, the one I am most interested in. I don't know his name at all. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 23:48:51
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| Just guessing that one of the other posters may have sent you a notice through the system email contact systerm.... |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 23:53:43
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| Ahh, yes, maybe that's it. Yesterday's notice said it was from JaneC. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2014 : 00:16:18
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Back at HeritageQuest found this interesting fellow:
JOHANNSEN JOHN 29 M W RUSS LA ORLEANS 6-WD NEW ORLEANS 1870
Birthplace is clearly written as Russia, occupation:painter and is marked a a US citizen.
In the household is an apparently single woman age 34 born Bavaria who is occupied with a "retail grocery store". Her name is Margaret Smith.
Here is the link to the familysearch transcription of the household and the page also has a link to the image which you can click and view:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M87C-15S
This man is the only one with the surname Johannsen of any spelling in the 1870 censuses seen online of Louisiana. Even though his birthplace is given as Russia, I feel you must also consider him until you get a better name for John Jurg Johannsen d. 1959 's father.
Russia does share a border with Norway in the extreme far north region and there were Norwegians moving back and forth across that border during the 1700s and 1800s. Margaret and John don't appear to be married, nor are there any children in the household but she is German and he may be Norwegian (albeit from Russia with a Scandinavian or Germanic name) but still everybody should still be on the table until you have the right people.
It is also a good idea to periodically go through the pages posted as us posters often go through, update and add clarifications to posts and may not necessarily do as I have done here, post quoting my own post. |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 19/02/2014 : 04:03:56
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Hmm.....Russia and Norway connected.......that is very interesting. Yes, you're right, all names should be on the table until I find out more. I am hoping Metairie can help.
Thanks so much! |
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Johannsen - male born 1830 Norway died 1882 Louisi
