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JaneC
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 Posted - 19/02/2014 : 16:58:36
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I sent you two emails Bethany, to give you a heads up that you had replies in your thread.
 Question: Wondering what is the source for the statement that Jurgen/John 1869-1959 was born in New Orleans? Where did you hear that or read it? |
Edited by - JaneC on 19/02/2014 18:49:58 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 03:25:28
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Here is an interesting birth from the All New Orleans, Louisiana Birth Records Index, 1790-1899 Results
Name: John Johnson Jr.
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1868
Birth Place: New Orleans, Louisiana
Gender: Male
Father's Name: John Johnson
Mother's name: Carolina Krauser |
Edited by - AntonH on 20/02/2014 03:31:06 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 03:52:22
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Might be the same family in 1880. Not born in Norway, but he is Scandanvian.
1880 United States Federal Census
Name: John Johnson
Age: 48
Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace: Denmark
Home in 1880: New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Caroline Johnson
Father's Birthplace: Denmark
Mother's Birthplace: Denmark
Neighbors:
Occupation: Carpenter
Household Members:
Name Age
John Johnson 48
Caroline Johnson 37
George Johnson 14
John Johnson 11
Theodore Johnson 9
Mary Johnson 6m |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 03:56:28
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I looked at that one too lyndal40. I do like it because the mother is Caroline, and Jurgen/John's first daughter is Carrie.
Caroline's birthplace is given as Bremen [Germany]
A little hard to know what to make of the two boys George and John, and how that fits with the person we know as Jurgen/John.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 03:59:41
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The family in 1900 Census. Mother is listed as a widow. and John Jr. is not living with the family. And they live in Ward 8. Rosa is the daughter of Theodore. And Joseph is his son.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Caroline Johnson
Age: 57
Birth Date: Apr 1843
Birthplace: Germany
Home in 1900: New Orleans Ward 8, Orleans, Louisiana
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1845
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Mother: number of living children: 5
Mother: How many children: 5
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Johnson 57
Theodore Johnson 29
Mary Johnson 20
August Johnson 18
Rosa Johnson 7
Joseph Johnson 6
George Brinkman 34
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 04:35:44
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Maybe the George Binkman listed in 1900 Census was a son of the first marriage of Caroline.
New Orleans, Louisiana Birth Records Index, 1790-1899
Name: George Brinkman
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1865
Birth Place: New Orleans, Louisiana
Gender: Male
Race: White
Father's Name: George Brinkman
Mother's name: Caroline Krance |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 15:33:15
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Here is the citation in the newspaper index at the New Orleans Public Library site of a George E. Brinkman, about the right age as target:
Brinkman, George E.
Death date: 1937-12-13
Age: 72 years
Obituary citation(s):
Times-Picayune, 1937-12-14, Pg. 2 col. 6
Here he be:
BRINKMANN--Of 1819 Marigny street on Monday, December 13, 1937 at 1:45 o'clock a.m. GEORGE E. BRINKMANN, beloved husband of Daisy Rosalie Patton, brother of Theo. Johnson and John Johansen, aged 72 years, a native of New Orleans, La.
Relatives and friends of the family are invited to attend the funeral Tuesday, December 14, 1937, at 10:30 o'clock a.m. from the auxilliary funeral home of Jacob Schoen and Son, 3827 Canal Street at Scott. Religious services at St. Anne's Episcopal Church, Esplanace avenue.
Burial in St. Roch cemetery.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 16:34:27
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I wonder why Theo. and John spell their last names differently? They likely had the same mother and I would think the same father.
If we could find them in 1870 Census we might see for sure if John Johnson was born in Denmark and how he spelled his name. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 16:37:50
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Marriage record for George Brinkmann
New Orleans, Louisiana, Marriage Records Index, 1831-1920
Name: Daisy R. Patton
Birth Date: abt 1878
Gender: F (Female)
Spouse: George Brinkmann
Spouse Age: 47
Spouse Gender: M (Male)
Marriage Date: 17 Dec 1912 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 16:47:43
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Well here they are in 1870 but now it lists him as being born in Ireland, I guess the best thing we have going for us is that this family has always lived in Ward 8. Listed as a carpenter. Caroline is also listed as being born in Ireland.
1870 United States Federal Census
Name: John Johnson
Age in 1870: 47
Birth Year: abt 1823
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1870: New Orleans Ward 8, Orleans, Louisiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: New Orleans
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
John Johnson 47
Caroline Johnson 28
George Johnson 5
Jno Johnson 2
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 17:18:28
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| Certainly seems to be the same family as the 1880 and 1900. Curious about the nationalities problem. George who married in 1912 age 47 would have been born ca 1865 - just to say it out loud, he's the George age 5 in 1870. This could be it. Pursuing it a bit more makes this family more credible. Good finds lyndal40! |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 17:32:17
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| John vs Jurgen issue: Naming custom is the first child in the "new" marriage is named to memorialize the deceased spouse. Was Caroline's first husband George / Jurgen? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 17:33:50
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Yes I think this family is the best candidate. Total proof that is going to be a very difficult task.
By the by, John the elder is listed as being born in Ireland in 1870, so is the family above them named O'Hara
John the elder is listed as being born in Denmark in 1880.
The father of the children is listed in 1900 as being born in Germany, by that time John the elder is dead. Not a bad fit to the death record found by the OP.
No where in the census is John the elder listed as being born in Norway. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 17:37:33
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Agreed. The fact that George has a different father goes a long way toward explaining the Jurgen/John issue.
The whole "Jurgen/John" thing was odd from the beginning, since Jurgen is usually Anglicized to George. Why Anglicize to John? The portrait of the family painted by these records supplies possible reasons, strengthening the case for this candidate family. Could be he prefers not to Anglicize to George - when he has a half-brother George.
Recap: Source for "father born in Norway" is the 1920 and 1930 census for son Jurgen/John, and no other source to date.
Wanted: 1900 census for Jurgen/John (I don't think it's posted), and see if it says he's born Dec 1868. And what it says about father's birthplace also of interest.
So now the death record for the candidate father first proposed hy the OP is certainly needed. Death might not be registered. Cemetery record might help. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 17:55:08
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Was Caroline's first husband George / Jurgen?
Most likely, here is my best candidate for that family.
Maybe the George Binkman listed in 1900 Census was a son of the first marriage of Caroline.
New Orleans, Louisiana Birth Records Index, 1790-1899
Name: George Brinkman
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1865
Birth Place: New Orleans, Louisiana
Gender: Male
Race: White
Father's Name: George Brinkman
Mother's name: Caroline Krance
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Johannsen - male born 1830 Norway died 1882 Louisi
