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JaneC
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 Posted - 20/02/2014 : 17:58:12
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So the candidate mother is Caroline Krauser, born Apr 1843 in Bremen, immigrated 1845 (SOURCES marriage, death, child's birth, 1900 census)
Caroline Krauser married George Brinkman 23 June 1864 in New Orleans LA (Justice of the Peace Marriage Index)
http://nutrias.org/~nopl/inv/jpmarrindex/bkrap_ky.htm
Caroline Brinkman married John Johnson 29 February 1868 in New Orleans LA (Justice of the Peace Marriage Index, call number VEE 678, page 172)
http://nutrias.org/~nopl/inv/jpmarrindex/johnsonh_johnsonm.htm
Caroline Krauser Johnson died in 1908
Johnson, Mrs. Caroline
Death date: 1908-02-07
Sex: F
Next of kin: John Johnson (husband)
Obituary citation(s):
Daily Picayune, 1908-02-08, Pg. 6 col. 5
Daily Picayune, 1908-02-09, Pg. 6 col. 3
Since Caroline emigrated as a small child (if 1900 for her correct) she should be in the 1850 and 1860 census somewhere
Orleans Parish, Louisiana census records ( = New Orleans)
http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/census.htm
George Brinkman jr (Caroline's son) buried St Roch. http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/cemroch.htm
"New Orleans is famous for its distinctive cemeteries, and New Orleanians are renowned for their celebration of these "Cities of the Dead." One of the most unique in the city has to be St. Roch Cemetery.
St. Roch and the Campo Santo:
In 1867, New Orleans was in the grip of a furious yellow fever epidemic, and there was little anyone could do to stop the spread of the disease. Reverend Peter Thevis prayed to St. Roch, a medieval saint who ministered to plague victims. After his congregation was spared, Rev. Thevis saw to the creation of the cemetery and its famous chapel."
Among other possibilities is that George senior died in the 1867 yellow fever epidemic.
A possible brother for Caroline Krauser, Martin Krauser
Martin married Adeline Ticker 24 July 1880 in New Orleans. [her surname is indexed differently with each child's birth]
Martin died 25 Oct 1896, age 43 (born about 1853), in New Orleans
Obituaries
Daily Picayune, 1896-10-26, Pg. 4 col. 7
Daily Picayune, 1896-10-29, Pg. 4 col. 7
Daily Picayune, 1896-11-01, Pg. 4 col. 6
Adeline died 1937 in New Orleans.
Krauser, Mrs. Adeline
Death date: 1937-06-02
Next of kin: Martin Krauser (husband)
Obituary citation(s):
Times-Picayune, 1937-06-03, Pg. 2 col. 8 |
Edited by - JaneC on 22/02/2014 02:30:38 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 20:39:42
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Daily Picayune 8 Feb 1908 "Deaths"
Mrs. Caroline Johnson, 65 years, 1720 Marigny
Daily Picayune 9 Feb 1908 (printed page) 6 (labelled page 42 in genealogybank.com), col 3 under "Died"
"JOHNSON -- On Friday, Feb. 7, 1908 at 8:10 o'clock a.m. CAROLINE KRAUSER, widow of the late John Johnson, aged 66 years, a native of Bremen, Germany, and a resident of this city sixty-four years." |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 20:44:02
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Description of Caroline in the 1908 obit fits the 1900 census perfectly
BIRTH
Christian Johnson born 25 Jan 1871, father John, mother Caroline Krauser
Source: 1874 Orleans Parish Birth Index, Vol 58, page 77
http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/vitals/births/index/1871bihl.txt
BIRTH
Christian Johnson born 02 May 1874, father John, mother Krauser
Source: 1874 Orleans Parish Birth Index, Vol 65, page 173
http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/vitals/births/index/1874bihl.txt
In 1880 John and Caroline have children George 14, John 11, Theodore 9 and Mary 6 months so the 1871 birth is a liitle puzzling (so close to Theodore). Likely possibility both Christians died.
OTHER KRAUSERS
A man named Theodore Krauser died 10 Nov 1886, age 56, thus born about 1830 (1886 Orleans Parish Death Index Vol 90 p 236)
Martin Krauser and Adelaide, mentioned earlier, are buried Greenwood Cemetery per Find-a-Grave.
Martin Krauser, died Oct 1896, Age 43, Name on Plot Krauser, Date of Burial 10/26/1896, Ref: Cemetery Records. Burial Greenwood Cemetery, New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, plot 42, Plot: 42 Locust Aloe Orange
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Krauser&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=20&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=89923583&df=all&
A few Krausers buried nearby match names in the birth index I used (a number of births to Martin and Adelaide listed there)
DAISY
Brinkmann, Mrs. Daisy Rosalie
Death date: 1963-11-11
Age: 85 years
Next of kin: George Brinkmann (husband)
Obituary citation(s):
Times-Picayune, 1963-11-12, Pg. 2 col. 4
States-Item, 1963-11-12, Pg. 4 col. 1
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BethanyJohannsen
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 23:19:10
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Originally posted by JaneC
I sent you two emails Bethany, to give you a heads up that you had replies in your thread. Thanks!
 Question: Wondering what is the source for the statement that Jurgen/John 1869-1959 was born in New Orleans? Where did you hear that or read it? All the census reports say his birth place was Louisiana. I do not have any other source for that. So if the census is wrong..... But since all the census reports everyone's birth places consistently, I am inclinced to think they may be correct.
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BethanyJohannsen
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 23:31:52
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| There is another source for being from Norway......my grandfather and grand aunts told us that repeatedly. For them, there was no question about it. That is what their father, John/Jurgen Sr. told them. I don't see any reason why he would have lied to them abput that. Althpugh anything is possible. But there were never any suspicions in the family about being from Norway. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 23:35:35
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| Okay, thanks for writing. So that was basically a mistake in the opening statement, about Jurgen/John being born in New Orleans. Probably just in the way the sentence was worded. As a general rule it's helpful when people state the source of each fact in a genealogy forum. |
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BethanyJohannsen
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 23:41:23
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Thanks, JKMarler,
I joined Geneology Bank and spent hours going through all the newspaper articles. I found two about John Jr. being in the Navy, and several obituaries for other members of the family.
No reply yet from Metairie. If we were closer (not in Canada), I'd go down to the cemetary and look in the tomb. I remember as a kid, seeing the names of other relatives buried in there. I hope Metairie responds soon.
Have a great day everyone. Thanks so much! |
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BethanyJohannsen
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 23:49:50
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Thanks JaneC.
Yes, I have no proof that he was born in Louisiana, except for the census reports. In fact I was surprised when I first saw them, because I always thought John/Jurgen Johannse, my great grandfather, was born in Norway! That's what my aunt (who is in her 80's ) still thinks, I believe. That's what my mom thought as well. But they could be off by a generation. Anyway, Norway was never in question from all my relatives. Just whether it was John/Jurgen or his father who had come from there.
Could there be a reason for people in those days to lie about their citizenship on census forms? For instance, if he had emigrated from Norway but didn't have his naturalization papers or something? Was that a frequent occurance, for people to lie about their birth place, in order not to get in trouble with immigration?
And he wasn't the only one. My mom and aunt had the understanding that Emma Weigel, their grandmother, was from Alsace Lorraine. So I was surprised also, when I saw her census report stating her birth place as Pennsylvania, and her mother from Alsace. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/02/2014 : 23:59:36
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The record for one of the children of Martin Krauser and Adeline Ticker indicates that her father Martin was born in Texas, so we might find Caroline Krauser there as well.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Margaret J Kranser
[Margeret J Krauser]
Age: 19
Birth Date: May 1881
Birthplace: Louisiana
Home in 1900: New Orleans Ward 3, Orleans, Louisiana
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Texas
Mother's name: Adeline Kranser
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/02/2014 : 00:14:38
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Greenwood Cemetery - buried near John Johannessen 1830-1882
748 Myrtle Cedar Aloe.
Christian Johnson age 3, died 02/12/1878 --- possible son to John J 1830-1882, see post above, Christian Johnson b 02 May 1874, father John, mother Krauser. This child's burial might - maybe - tie the family lyndal40 found in the census to the man at Greenwood (John J 1830-1882)
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/02/2014 : 00:19:34
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Originally posted by BethanyJohannsen
Thanks JaneC.
Yes, I have no proof that he was born in Louisiana, except for the census reports. In fact I was surprised when I first saw them, because I always thought John/Jurgen Johannse, my great grandfather, was born in Norway! That's what my aunt (who is in her 80's ) still thinks, I believe. That's what my mom thought as well. But they could be off by a generation. Anyway, Norway was never in question from all my relatives. Just whether it was John/Jurgen or his father who had come from there.
Could there be a reason for people in those days to lie about their citizenship on census forms? For instance, if he had emigrated from Norway but didn't have his naturalization papers or something? Was that a frequent occurance, for people to lie about their birth place, in order not to get in trouble with immigration?
And he wasn't the only one. My mom and aunt had the understanding that Emma Weigel, their grandmother, was from Alsace Lorraine. So I was surprised also, when I saw her census report stating her birth place as Pennsylvania, and her mother from Alsace.
Family traditions most often have a kernel of truth in them. Sometimes it's a big 'un and sometimes it's a little 'un. But there are lots of interesting things happening in your family. For instance, the John Johnson family (likely your ancestor's family of origin) goes along as Johnson and then your ggf becomes Johannsen. Why does that happen? Your name is the most individual & visible thing about you so why make the change? But anyone with Norwegian ancestry knows names do change whether it's just going with the flow, or an apparently conscious decision.
America, in the past, had tons of immigrants most of whom never started nor completed the process of getting documented her re citizenship status. They were here. So it might not be a question of fibbing about one's origin. Can you see the situation that two foreign born folks marrying each might have difficult accents or may not understand questions put to them or have run into a lazy census taker who only wanted to ditto rather than to have to write it all out or a bad copyist (especially on the 1850-1870s censuses wherein the microfilmed copy may have been a 2nd or 3rd generation copy rather than the actual schedule take by the census taker). Lots of things can play into what's on the page.
The immigrants also responded to their environment. In N.D. we have a large group of people called Germans from Russia. One family I researched of that ethnic group switched their place of origin from census to census depending who was in bad or worse odor at that moment, first WW anti German sentiment ran high so became Russian and then in the Cold War days switched to German since it was the lesser of 2 evils (you know Russia = communist = bad). |
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BethanyJohannsen
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Posted - 21/02/2014 : 04:12:19
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Hi JaneC,
I just wanted to clarify, since my original post wasn't clear, that no, I don't have proof John/Jurgen was born in Louisiana, but I do have proof that he spent most of life there. All seven of his children grew up in the 2222 Eads St. house, which my grand aunt took me to visit in the 80's. I saw the house my grandfather and all his siblings grew up in. And they talked about it. I don't know for sure that John/Jurgen was born in Louisiana though. Only the census states that.
Thanks again! |
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BethanyJohannsen
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Posted - 21/02/2014 : 04:21:24
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Hi JKMarler
That was fascinating what you wrote above. Yes, I can picture immigrants with accents and lazy census takers. In fact, that leads me to an important question I will ask my aunt: Does she know whether John/Jurgen Johannsen had an accent when he spoke? (Or Emma Weigel for that matter). She might not know , but it would definitely be helpful if she did. Thanks for the tip! American immigration history is fascinating indeed. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/02/2014 : 05:54:30
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Bethany, your original reply was clear. Thanks for it. Cool that you got to see the family home in New Orleans. 
The birth record posted by lyndal40 is probably "your" Jurgen/John (or could be, anyway). We're looking for any sources that would connect Jurgen/John to the parents below, any evidence that your guy is their son. You might have had some evidence of Jurgen/John's birth that we hadn't yet heard about, hence my question about that, but you don't, so that's fine. Online transcriptions of marriage and death records are condensed, so often if a copy of the original is ordered that might reveal parents' names.
(birth record also posted on page 6 of this thread):
BIRTH
Name: John Johnson Jr.
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1868
Birth Place: New Orleans, Louisiana
Gender: Male
Father's Name: John Johnson
Mother's name: Carolina Krauser
http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/vitals/births/index/1868biej.txt
Would be great to find the 1900 census for John and Emma. So far nobody has posted it. That census year, people were asked for their month of birth as well as year of birth. If we knew your Jurgen/John was born in December, that would strengthen the case for the boy above. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/02/2014 : 13:44:56
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Family traditions most often have a kernel of truth in them. Sometimes it's a big 'un and sometimes it's a little 'un. But there are lots of interesting things happening in your family. For instance, the John Johnson family (likely your ancestor's family of origin) goes along as Johnson and then your ggf becomes Johannsen. Why does that happen? Your name is the most individual & visible thing about you so why make the change? But anyone with Norwegian ancestry knows names do change whether it's just going with the flow, or an apparently conscious decision.
I agree 100% Jackie.
Familytraditions has a lot of truth.
Because of that I managed to find one of my ancestors born 260 years ago.
Everything that my grandmother had told was true 
Kċre
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Johannsen - male born 1830 Norway died 1882 Louisi
