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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 22/02/2014 : 00:46:12
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Mary Johnson Caballero is the daughter of John Johnson and Caroline Krauser, sister of August, Theodore Johnson and John Johannsen.
Times-Picayune, Friday 1 April 1949, pg 2, col 6
"CABALLERO-- of 1720 Marigny street, on Thursday morning March 31, 1949 5:25 o'clock. MARY F JOHNSON, wife of Joseph Caballero; mother of Lawrence Caballero, sister of August Johnson.
Relatives and friends of the family, also officers and members of the Merlin Grove No.18 U.A.O.D. are invited to attend the fuenral which will take place from the funeral home of Pat J. McMahon-Coburn Co., 2305 Canal stree, corner North Miro street, on Friday afternoon, April 1, 1949, at 3:30 o'clock. Religious services at Grace Episcopal church, Marais and Canal streets.
Interment in St. Roch cemetery."
Although, John Johannsen is not mentioned by name there is perhaps an "invisible thread" in the invitation to the Druid group that John Johannsen belonged to and her address is the same one Caroline Krauser Johnson died at in 1908. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 22/02/2014 01:02:01 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:09:56
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U.A.O.D.
United Ancient Order of Druids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Order_of_Druids
Louisiana and the Druids
Merlin Grove No. 18 mentioned, and Greenwood Cemetery, and the Firemen’s Charitable and Benevolent Association (founders of Greenwood Cemetery) - and the Masons
http://treeroots.wordpress.com/page/2/
Don't understand connection of Druids and Masons, but the two are linked in other online blogs as well. Need more substantial reference on them. |
Edited by - JaneC on 22/02/2014 01:26:29 |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:19:10
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Hello Everyone,
I am completely lost at the moment. That is a lot of information to process. I am trying to go one by one in order to understand.
Re: Death Certificates - I cannot order one unless I know the full name, including middle names, as well as complete birthdate and death date.
I put in a a couple of questions to my aunt about her grandfather (John/Jurgen) in hopes she might remember. I should hear back later tonight or tomorrow.
I will look carefully at all the links you posted. This is my first attempt at doing any geneology, so please forgive me it takes me a little longer to comprehend.
Thanks again! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:32:07
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Hi Bethany, not all people have a middle name. Enter the information on the order form exactly as you find it (or somebody here found it) in the database index.
There is no middle name for John Johannsen who died 1882; so note "No Middle Name."
And so on.
The person who will look up the information does not want to walk to the basement of the courthouse, and get out the ladder, and climb up it to reach the highest shelves, and pull down a box of files and almost tip over, and open the box, and find two John Johannsens there, then walk back up, write you a letter saying "Which one"? and so on. If you write "No Middle Name," then he/she knows, "Oh, Bethany wants the one with no middle name." If you enter the information just as you find it in the database - then that is exactly the way it is filed in their office. Reference the Ancestry.com database if you wish, and look at the SOURCE INFORMATION box in which to do that. This will show them you're not making this stuff up; rather, you are citing a record that THEY told YOU about.
Also look at the links and records as posted; depending on the person who posted and the whim of the moment and the particular database, there may be a volume number and page number cited.
They just want to lay hands on the right record in an efficient manner, that's all. (Of course I've never ordered from there, but common sense tells you this is more or less the deal).
Anyway worth a try - see if that helps. |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:34:56
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Thanks JaneC, for the explanation re John Johnson. I will look into that.
This probably won't help, but when I visited New Orleans as a child in 1983, there
was a completely unrelated family occupying the 2222 Eads St. House. My great
Aunt had no idea who they were, and I got the impression at the time, that it had been
a long time since any member of the family had lived there. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:36:09
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Bethany, your right there are a lot of pages to look at. Here is a brief synopsis of what I think we know now about your family. Here is the family of your great great grandfather born in 1832 in Scandanavia, maybe Norway in the 1880 US Census. John Jr.your great grandfather is the boy John age 11.He is the one who married Emma Weigel. Caroline is Caroline Krauzer born in what is today Germany and is John's wife and John Jr.'s mother.
1880 United States Federal Census
Name: John Johnson
Age: 48
Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace: Denmark
Home in 1880: New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Caroline Johnson
Father's Birthplace: Denmark
Mother's Birthplace: Denmark
Neighbors:
Occupation: Carpenter
Household Members:
Name Age
John Johnson 48
Caroline Johnson 37
George Johnson14
John Johnson 11
Theodore Johnson 9
Mary Johnson 6m
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:43:26
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In 1900 John Johnson born abt 1832 in Scandanavia is dead and John Jr. your great grandfather has left home. This is the wife and mother Caroline with the rest of the family. She was married twice and George Brinkman is her son from her first marriage.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Caroline Johnson
Age: 57
Birth Date: Apr 1843
Birthplace: Germany
Home in 1900: New Orleans Ward 8, Orleans, Louisiana
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1845
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Mother: number of living children: 5
Mother: How many children: 5
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Johnson 57
Theodore Johnson 29
Mary Johnson 20
August Johnson 18
Rosa Johnson 7
Joseph Johnson 6
George Brinkman 34 |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:46:07
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I must admit, that I will be a little disappointed if it turns out he wasn't from Norway. The Norwegian
or half Norwegian relative, John/Jurgen Johannsen was a much beloved member of the family......a warm and loving
man, from what I was told. We were always proud of the fact that he was Norwegian. I have been believing that for 35 years. I even started studying the language recently. That being said, the truth is more important, and it will be a relief to know one way or the other. :-) |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:49:59
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| Okay, Thanks, JaneC. I tried ordering online without the middle name and it would not go through. A pop-up kept appearing "not enough information or incomplete " or something. But I will try again. And maybe I'll try ordering one by snail mail even though it takes longer. You're right about not everyone having a middle name: I don't have one! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2014 : 01:57:09
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Bethany, Jane had some sage advice about getting those death certificates. I think what she said is true, especially about their middle names, not everybody has one, so just enter none for it. Sometimes you just have to be brazen to get what you need!
But you might also want to get birth records for those for whom you have an exact birthdate. Same thing applies, follow the way the name is entered in the database, etc. One of the objectives is to find out about John Johnson the father and mayhaps there might be a smidge of information about him on the kids's actual records.
Don't worry, take your time to understand and enter into your program. Your ancestors are just glad you found them and so are we!
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 02:27:03
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Thanks so much, Lundal40!
That summary gives me a base for which to understand the rest, hopefully.
I just had a thought! Didn't Norway change rulers a few times? It was ruled
by Denmark and Sweden for long periods of time. Maybe the document states
Denmark as birth place because Norway was under Danish rule at the time?
Am going to reserach that right now. Fingers crossed!
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 04:12:32
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Louisiana state records are not easy to obtain. It states the records are unavailable, for both the marriage (Caroline Brinkman and John Johnson) and the death John Johannsen 1882.
Another online service (VitalCheck) states the same. To order a hand search by mail, it
takes 10-12 weeks and you have to send a US money order. I'll look into whether they will accept
one from a Canadian bank. It is surprising in the internet age, how arduous they make it.
I will of course, still try to order these, but it will take some time. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 04:25:22
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Sorry to hear that. I agree, it's surprising they make it so hard.
BIRTH
15 September 1904
Lawrence Caballero, father Joseph [Caballero], mother Mary Johansen
volume 128, page 743, 1904 Orleans Parish Birth Index
1940
New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
Address: 1715 Marigny Street
Lawrence Caballero 35, born abt 1905, married, electrical worker, owns his house
1720 Marigny: address of Caroline Krauser Johnson (mother of Mary Johnson Caballero and grandmother to Lawrence) at the time of her 1908 obit
1720 Marigny: address of Joseph Johnson in 1934, 1938 newspaper references posted earlier
1819 Marigny: address of George Brinkman when he died 1937
Lawrence Caballero (1904 - Feb 1984) <---------nephew of John Johannsen b 1868
St Roch Cemetery #1
New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
Plot: St Roch Cem 1, Sq D1, St.Boniface Walk, T042 <--------same spot as Joseph and Mary Caballero
with Vera A Moore Caballero (1916 - 1992)
Vera is unmarried and living with her parents in the 1930 census. She is not enumerated with Lawrence in 1940, though Lawrence's 1940 census record says he is married.
Really helped to track all the siblings of the 1870 and 1880 Johnson family. This way we got to see Mary Johnson turn into Mary Johannsen, which is strong evidence that the "John Johnson junior" in the 1870 and 1880 census could be the same person as John Johannsen, the adult in 1910, 1920, 1930, and 1940.
Again, that 1947 obit jkmarler posted, this is John with his siblings (matches 1870, 1880, and 1900 census):
"Theodore L. Johnson ... brother of August and John Johnson, Mrs. Mamie Cavallero, and the late George Brinkman"
Would be easy for a copyeditor to correct the obit so that all the names match as Johnson (just one possible explaination)
In George Brinkman's obituary, John is called John Johannsen. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 04:38:14
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quote:
Originally posted by BethanyJohannsen
Thanks so much, Lundal40!
That summary gives me a base for which to understand the rest, hopefully.
I just had a thought! Didn't Norway change rulers a few times? It was ruled
by Denmark and Sweden for long periods of time. Maybe the document states
Denmark as birth place because Norway was under Danish rule at the time?
Am going to reserach that right now. Fingers crossed!
By the time of John sr's ca 1830 birth the political relationship between Norway and Denmark had been severed. You see the Danish king had backed to wrong side in the Napoleonic wars and in 1814 Norway ended by being "spoils of war" and was dealt to be ruled by the Swedish King.
But it often happens in American records that when a Norwegian renounces their citizenship the records reflect that they are from Sweden since they give up their allegiance to the Swedish king.
But culturally and historically, Norway and Denmark were and still continue to speak to each other. |
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BethanyJohannsen
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 05:02:04
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I have read through pages 6-9 of the thread twice now, and grasp it about halfway, which is an improvement ;-)
The birth place change (Ireland ) is odd. And the whole Johnson to Johannsen change as well. Maybe their name was
changed upon arrival, or they possibly welcomed the Anglicanization at first. But some of the first generation American children decided to take the real family name back (John and Mary).
Yes, JKMarler, the timing was wrong for Danish rule. So Denmark instead of Norway still makes no sense to me. |
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