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jkmarler
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 Posted - 19/07/2014 : 01:57:46
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| There is also an original homestead taken by an Andrew A. Bly in 1902 in Polk county at the GLO site. |
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aethos
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 02:28:38
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Curve ball? Gotta figure out what a tract is considered now!
This is interesting though. One thing we have never really known is why Christ and Andrew changed their names to Bly. The story goes that there were multiple Andersons who lived there and the groceries kept getting misdelivered so they changed their name. Supposedly there was a Bly Creek which they took the name from. This is the earliest use of the Bly name we've found and it definitely comes before Christopher died. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 04:21:08
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| Google finds a "Bly Creek" between Lake Mary and Grill Lake southwest of Alexandria, Minnesota--looks to be in Douglas County or very nearby it. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 04:27:33
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Here are 2 entries in the Minnesota naturalization database at the Iron Range Interpretive web page for an Andrew Anderson Bly, no dates given but might be fun to see when:
Naturalization Record - #710310
First Name: ANDREW ANDERSON
Last Name: BLY
County: POLK
State: MINNESOTA
Code: 6
Reel: 3
Volume: F
Page: 461
Naturalization Record - #719886
First Name: ANDREW ANDERSON
Last Name: BLY
County: POLK
State: MINNESOTA
Code: 25
Reel: 11
Volume: I
Page: 68
So with the 2 entries it looks likely he actually became a citizen of US and since the usual time frame to prove up your homestead was about 5 years he likely was using the Bly name about 1897 or so. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 19/07/2014 04:31:51 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 04:41:05
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Here is the death of one son of Andrew Anderson Bly :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FDMP-Z93
Andrew Anderson marriage from MOMS:
DOUGLAS C - 148 12/15/1882 ANDERSON, ANDREW GUILES, HELEN |
Edited by - jkmarler on 19/07/2014 04:45:12 |
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aethos
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 04:47:47
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I had figured the homestead was 5 years after the date so thanks for that. I sent those very same naturalizaqtion records to my father who went to the Minnesota Historical Society today and retrieved them so hopefully I'll know what details they show soon! I also found them for Christopher, Karen and Christ. I was surprised to see Karen listed and it might not be the right Karen but we will see.
I was actually looking up in Polk for Bly Creek so that might be worth pursuing. I do known in 1885 that Andrew was still using the name Andrew Anderson and he was living in Polk from the Minnesota census. However when he started using it, it's possible that he remembered fishing or spending time near Bly Creek in Douglas County. Worth a note on the research record certainly.
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jkmarler
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aethos
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 05:10:27
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Yup, I can confirm that's him. Explains why I couldn't find him too. Aand*. Very nice.That's a great find. It's one census I couldn't find him on. Also this means that I can tie him to Minnesota from 1895 to 1910 through a census every 5 years. Like I said it was suggested that he went to Montana sometime between 1880-1895. Truth is I'm not certain he left. However I only saw Esther Bly come back with him and Helen through Idaho in 1915. It's possible that Ruth was married at 17 and stayed in Canada?
BTW... earlier you mentioned their marriage from MOMS... what is that?
Update... googled Minnesota Officlal Marriage System... very good resource! Thanks. |
Edited by - aethos on 19/07/2014 05:59:19 |
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JaneC
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aethos
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 05:38:02
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| That's the one. It's quite a work in progress! |
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aethos
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 06:42:21
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So from MOMS I found
POLK G/249 01/02/1897 OLSON, OSCAR J ANDERSON, CLARA J
Now I have to figure out if I can get more details or if I have to connect with Polk County. There were some Douglas County Clara's but they were all married between 1888 and 1896 and by then her family would have been in Polk County. |
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aethos
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 07:23:49
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Originally posted by jkmarler
At least keep an open mind about this possible Andrew from the 1880 census:
Andrew Anderson m 21 stage driver N N N 489 Alexandria Douglas Minnesota
I'll see if this meshes with anything my father remembers. With how close the family stayed and him never listing himself as a stage driver I'm prone to think he wouldn't have stayed at work and boarded while his parents left. He basically stuck with them their entire lives, not leaving until they were gone. But I'll dig into it as well! Thanks for that. He comes up as "Andrus" in my search. Hard to say from reading. The 21 might be wrong too. It's a thick "1". |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 07:44:38
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So Karen isn't with the family in the 1895 census. Here's a possible back in Douglas county. Interesting also is the length of residency in the state 25 yrs and 2 yrs in this district, a Christian in the house and a 40yr Betsy:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQDR-YTB
Apparently the same person as in the 1895 in the 1905:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SPS2-F7V
In your family tree you have Carl dying in 1900, what's the date of death? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 19/07/2014 07:56:35 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 08:10:07
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Here is a baptism of a Karen Andersdatter b. 1 Nov 1827 in Vinger, bapt 25 Dec on left hand page:
Source information: Hedmark county, Vinger, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1826-1839), Birth and baptism records 1827, page 23.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9134&idx_id=9134&uid=ny&idx_side=-22
Her father's name in her marriage record is Anders Mathisen which matches the name in the baptism as well. |
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aethos
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Posted - 19/07/2014 : 08:15:56
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Actually you have to look into the record on him for the details. The record says "BEF 1900". This is for Karelius Anderson who you found on the immigration record but he wasn't with them in 1880 and also Karen lists herself as having only 3 living children in 1900. This means Karelius (Torveig) must have died before 1900. I just don't know when or where.
I'm not sure what to make of the 1895 you found. You're right that Karen vanishes on the 1895 census. Christopher and Andrew are at the homestead in Lessor Township but her and Christian aren't there. You may have found one of the many puzzle pieces but for the life of me I don't know why they would be separate from each other. Betsy Petersen is the right age for their daughter Bertha Anderson who disappeared after arriving. I figured she must have married. Being there for 25 years is definitely strange. In the 1895 census, Christopher says they had been there 16 years. That's why I thought they spent a little time in Illinois before coming to Minnesota.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&h=2454332&recoff=6+7&db=MNstatecen&indiv=1&ml_rpos=10
In 1900 she is with them in Lessor so I'm thinking this is another Carin. It's strange that it's so close but I don't understand why she would go from Douglas County to Polk County and then back to Douglas County. Her husband did die in 1902 but I still don't see the connection. My father will stop by the cemetary again up there when next he is up there to see family but that might be a few months yet.
Here they are in 1900: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1900usfedcen&indiv=try&h=26846964
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Who burns a census
