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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 30/12/2014 : 20:10:54
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Here is a possible Sofie. She married Edward Datz on 7 June 1906 in the Bethel Lutheran church in Chicago. Witnesses at her ceremony were Mrs. J.O Johnson and Miss Amy Johnson. Here she is in the 1910 census:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MKCB-N9X
This is the family in 1920 census. Sister Amy Johnson b. about 1881 is living with the family, so rather cuts against this Sofie:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ35-F2S |
Edited by - jkmarler on 30/12/2014 20:36:28 |
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tkoller
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 20:49:20
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| Based on what's known about Jennie, if Sophie Datz is the correct Sophie Johnson then she would have had another daughter, Amy, right after coming to US. She would have left Amy in US for the 1885 trip to Norway, with whom? That's why having a sister for Sophie is problematic. |
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tkoller
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 21:07:55
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It means that Amy was born 3 year before marrige to Peter Johnson.
Perhaps she had a child before she met Peter?
Here is still some unanswered qestions. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 21:30:58
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| Sometimes that's the reason they come to America, to get away from the incoming situation at home. Often they lose the "husband" in the ocean on the way here! |
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tkoller
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Norway
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 21:45:19
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The mother of Jenny died in 1874. Jenny was then 16 years old. Her father remarried in 1876 and my grand mother was born in 1876.
Jenny was the only child in 1. marrige. Grandmother always said it was a good place to grow up. But Jenny in Amerika has never been mentioned. Why she returned home in 1885 don't make sense if one consider the situation she was in. It did cost a lot of money. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 23:04:38
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So on page 2, I posted the 1900 and 1910 US Census for a Amelia J Johnson as a long shot. Probably not the Jennie Amelia you are looking for. Here is a death record for son Gustave that lists the mothers name as Amelia Torselins.
NAME: Gustav L Johnson
BIRTH DATE: 27 Apr 1891
BIRTH PLACE: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
DEATH DATE: 7 Feb 1920
DEATH PLACE: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
BURIAL DATE: 9 Feb 1920
CEMETERY NAME: Rose Hill
DEATH AGE: 28
OCCUPATION: Woodworks
RACE: White
MARITAL STATUS: Single
GENDER: Male
STREET ADDRESS: 1420 Farragut Ave 25 Ward
FATHER NAME: John L Johnson
FATHER BIRTH PLACE: Sweden
MOTHER NAME: Amelia Torselins
MOTHER BIRTH PLACE: Sweden
FHL FILM NUMBER: 1309231
So in the marriage record, her name is probably not Forselins but could be Torselins |
Edited by - AntonH on 31/12/2014 01:30:19 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 23:35:44
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The John L Johnson - Amelia Forselins couple is surely not the right family - thought I#k sorry to say it. That Amelia was born February 1858 in Sweden (Swedish and born in February judging from 1900 and 1910 census).
Did seek a bit more for Jenny Amalie Jorstad, born 22 March 1858; for example seeking in 1900 census only, only in Chicago, for Jenny or Jennie any surname, born 1858 +- 2 years, born in March.
tkoller - Did you mother call her Jenny or call her Amalie?
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tkoller
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 23:45:39
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JaneC
As I have mentioned I have never heard of her until I discoverd her on the Norwagin sensus of 1885 from Drammen. So I am sorry I can't answer you on this. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 23:50:20
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| Thanks tkoller, and signing off for now. Happy New Year! |
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tkoller
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 23:54:33
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Thank you.
And Happy New Year to you to JaneC |
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AntonH
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Posted - 31/12/2014 : 01:54:52
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Looks like Sophie Datz is still alive for the 1930 Census, and with two other children.
NAME: Sophie Datz
GENDER: Female
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1886
BIRTHPLACE: Illinois
RACE: White
HOME IN 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
MAP OF HOME: View Map
MARITAL STATUS: Married
RELATION TO HEAD OF HOUSE: Wife
SPOUSE'S NAME: Edward Datz
FATHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Norway
MOTHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Norway
OCCUPATION:
EDUCATION:
MILITARY SERVICE:
RENT/HOME VALUE:
AGE AT FIRST MARRIAGE:
PARENTS' BIRTHPLACE:
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NEIGHBORS: View others on page
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Edward Datz 49
Sophie Datz 44
Ferdinand Datz 22
Edward Datz 9
Alice Datz 4
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/12/2014 : 15:54:58
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Still living in 1940, in Chicago, on Mozart Street. Transcribed as Dotz.
Edvard Dotz 59
Sophie Dotz 54
Edward Dotz 19
Alice Dotz 14
We have yet to solve the problem of the sister Amy Johnson, age 39 and single in 1920 (as posted). Both Sophie and Amy listed as born Illinois. If Amy is Jenny Amalie's child she should be in Norway for the 1885 census, as Jackie said - but she's not. That discrepancy needs to be explained. Amy could be a child of Peter Oluf Johnson from an earlier relationship? She could be with her mother in Chicago in 1885? In 1900 the two children who appear to be children of Peter Oluf and Caspara are split up - one with father, one with mother. Point being this Sophie can't yet be ruled out.
Need her death certificate, or obit, or original of her marriage record (or ditto for Amy) - seeking parents' names. |
Edited by - JaneC on 31/12/2014 16:07:03 |
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tkoller
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Posted - 31/12/2014 : 16:40:41
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Amy can have been left with her fater in1885 and thats the course of returnig from Norway. The devorce took place in 1887. It's a possible but may bee unlikely. Yes the problem about Amy should be solved before I can use this in my family history.
I think I will sign of now. The new year selbration is soon to start her. Will start up again next year 2015.
So I wish you all a Happy New Year. |
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Jenny Amalie Jansen
