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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 31/12/2014 : 17:15:24
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Originally posted by JaneC
We have yet to solve the problem of the sister Amy Johnson, age 39 and single in 1920 (as posted). Both Sophie and Amy listed as born Illinois. If Amy is Jenny Amalie's child she should be in Norway for the 1885 census, as Jackie said - but she's not. That discrepancy needs to be explained. Amy could be a child of Peter Oluf Johnson from an earlier relationship? She could be with her mother in Chicago in 1885? In 1900 the two children who appear to be children of Peter Oluf and Caspara are split up - one with father, one with mother. Point being this Sophie can't yet be ruled out.
Need her death certificate, or obit, or original of her marriage record (or ditto for Amy) - seeking parents' names.
I've seen the original of the church register of the marriage of Sophie & Edward and have reported all the information there except their ages. Sophie is listed as 21.
Amy and Sophie could be in the same household in 1900--that could be looked for.
If Amy is Peter's child, then we need to know more about Peter. His coroner's inquest and the homicide file of George Johnson might contain more familial details but will cost something to get, as will either of their death certificates. The child Alice came later in 1890 and was born in 1879 the year before Peter came to US, perhaps there is something in one of the censuses about Alice's & Amy's migration? There might be a family story or two about Peter lodged with the son Arthur, his life might be worth exploring as well. The divorce files, if they still exist, for Peter and Jennie and possibly Peter and Caspara could be explored for details. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/01/2015 : 08:11:42
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Caspara married a man named Haffner. Here is her death in 1941, maybe will help to locate Arthur Johnson if an obit can be found:
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQ9Z-XH6
Caspara married Charles Haffner, another Norwegian, sometime after 1900. In 1910, there is a child named Otto Haffner age 20 in Caspara's and Charles' household. Charles was living in Chicago in 1900 as a single man. It appears that Arthur may have been adopted by Caspara's second husband. Otto married but I haven't found any children of his.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK8M-XFH |
Edited by - jkmarler on 01/01/2015 08:30:24 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/01/2015 : 09:14:59
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This is a possible for Peter's daughter Alice, #129:
Source information: Oslo county, Grønland, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1878-1888), Birth and baptism records 1879, page 47.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5790&idx_id=5790&uid=ny&idx_side=-52
This Peter is married, so don't know.
Alice Swanson was still married to Samuel in 1910 and living in Chicago, but appears to be divorced and living in the home of some cousins Emit T. & Julie Berg in Chicago in 1920. |
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tkoller
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Posted - 01/01/2015 : 10:49:28
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| If this is the same Peter he had a dauther before meeting Jenny. She got pragment and they left for Anerica. Then Amy and Alice is the same person? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 03:35:32
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It's getting confusing. Since we haven't seemed to generate any information on Jenny and Sofie as Johnson after the time of the divorce, we're looking at other possible names.
Otto Haffner's obit was published in the Morning Star (Rockford, Ill) on Thursday 25 Sept 1975 on pg 5, column 2:
"Otto J. Haffner
Harvard-- Otto J. Haffner, 85, 104 N. Washington Street, retired owner of a resort at Three Lakes, Wisc. died Wednesday in Harvard Hospital after a long illness.
There are no immediate survivors.
Services will be at 1:30 pm Monday in the Saunders and Hoffman Funeral Home with burial in Mount Auburn cemetery. Friends may call from 3 to 5 and 7 to 9 pm Sunday at the funeral home."
So no help there. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/01/2015 : 03:47:21
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This might be Alice in 1900 Census. May add more questions then solutions. No sign of a Jenny or Sophie
NAME: Allice Swanson
AGE: 21
BIRTH DATE: Jan 1879
BIRTHPLACE: Norway
HOME IN 1900: Chicago Ward 14, Cook, Illinois
RACE: White
GENDER: Female
IMMIGRATION YEAR: 1890
RELATION TO HEAD OF HOUSE: Wife
MARITAL STATUS: Married
SPOUSE'S NAME: Samuel Swanson
MARRIAGE YEAR: 1900
YEARS MARRIED: 0
FATHER'S NAME: Peter O Johnson
FATHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Norway
MOTHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Norway
MOTHER: NUMBER OF LIVING CHILDREN: 0
MOTHER: HOW MANY CHILDREN: 0
OCCUPATION: View on Image
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Samuel Swanson 25
Allice Swanson 21
Peter O Johnson 49
George W Johnson 4 |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/01/2015 03:51:17 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/01/2015 : 04:33:50
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Here are the three arriving into New York. Here she is listed as a Norwegian.
NAME: Alice Johnsen
ARRIVAL DATE: 30 Aug 1890
BIRTH DATE: abt 1880
AGE: 10
GENDER: Female
ETHNICITY/ NATIONALITY: Norwegian
PLACE OF ORIGIN: Norway
PORT OF DEPARTURE: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
DESTINATION: United States of America
PORT OF ARRIVAL: New York, New York
SHIP NAME: City of Chester
SEARCH SHIP DATABASE: Search for the City of Chester in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
SEARCH HAMBURG PASSENGER LISTS: Search for the departure in Hamburg Passenger Lists |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/01/2015 : 04:40:54
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This is likely the birth record from Ancestry.com of Alice Pauline.
NAME: Alice Pauline Johansen
GENDER: Female
BIRTH DATE: 16 jan 1879
BAPTISM DATE: 2 jun 1879
BAPTISM PLACE: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
FATHER'S AGE: 1851
MOTHER'S AGE: 1855
FATHER: Peter Oluf Johansen
MOTHER: Caroline Sofie Larsen
FHL FILM NUMBER: 1282503
And the birth record for the son Jens from Ancestry.
NAME: Jens Peter Sofus Johannessen
GENDER: Male
BAPTISM DATE: 28 okt 1877 (28 Oct 1877)
BAPTISM PLACE: Den Norske, Trefoldighet menighet, Oslo , Norway
FATHER: Peter Olaf Johannessen
MOTHER: Sofie Caroline Larsen
FHL FILM NUMBER: 1282522
REFERENCE ID: item 4 bk I 4 p48
REFERENCE ID: BK7 P47 CN129
And from Digitalarkivet
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5825&idx_id=5825&uid=ny&idx_side=-51 |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/01/2015 05:00:56 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/01/2015 : 04:49:34
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| I wonder if Peter's wife Caroline Sophie / Sophie Caroline died and that memorial is why the name Sophie was given to Peter's and Jenny's first child? |
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JaneC
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Posted - 03/01/2015 : 05:02:44
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A possible death record for Caroline Sophie Larsen, f 1855
#73, Oslo fylke, Johannes, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1875-1882), Døde og begravede 1882, side 208.
Died 1882
here
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/01/2015 : 05:06:02
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Probably the marriage record of Peter and Caroline in 1876.
NAME: Caroline Sofie Larsen
[Caroline Sofie Olsen]
GENDER: Female
AGE: 21
BIRTH DATE: 1855
MARRIAGE DATE: 18 nov 1876
MARRIAGE PLACE: Grønland Parish, Oslo, Oslo, Norway
FATHER: Lars Olsen
SPOUSE: Peter Oluf Johansen
FHL FILM NUMBER: 1282502
And the record from Digitalarkivet
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5788&idx_id=5788&uid=ny&idx_side=-306 |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/01/2015 05:10:57 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/01/2015 : 05:20:36
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It is possible that Alice married again after her divorce. Here from the 1930 US. Census.. Herbert was married to a Katherine in the 1920 census.
NAME: Alice P Michelson
GENDER: Female
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1879
BIRTHPLACE: Norway
RACE: White
HOME IN 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
MAP OF HOME: View Map
MARITAL STATUS: Married
IMMIGRATION YEAR: 1880
RELATION TO HEAD OF HOUSE: Wife
SPOUSE'S NAME: Walter H Michelson
FATHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Norway
MOTHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Norway
OCCUPATION:
EDUCATION:
MILITARY SERVICE:
RENT/HOME VALUE:
AGE AT FIRST MARRIAGE:
PARENTS' BIRTHPLACE:
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NEIGHBORS: View others on page
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Walter H Michelson 59
Alice P Michelson 51 |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/01/2015 05:22:53 |
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jkmarler
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Jenny Amalie Jansen
