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ROBJE
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 Posted - 29/01/2016 : 23:24:29
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Yup... I'm beginning to like the Anders candidate who mainly stayed put in Norway. Your 1900 census shows that possible him as born in Brattaby, Elfsburg. Simply Googling Elfsburg shows a football team playing out of - yes - Boraas, Sweden.
And my Anders was almost certainly a railroad worker in 1870 and 1871, and absolutely in 1872, which is a far cry from a baker.
Now, as Einar found, Gina scooted off to Sweden in late 1871. She delivered my great-Grandad Kristian in Modum in Feb 1872. So whichever Anders it was certainly went home at some point.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/01/2016 : 23:29:51
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Good point. Bye for now.  |
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ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
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Posted - 30/01/2016 : 01:30:04
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As ever; thanks Jane C.
That last lead about leaving Goteborg in April 1881 is my favourite yet.
I'm not wild about DoubleGreatGramps hanging around Norway until he died, without ever again appearing in his children's lives.
And his returning to Sweden to be a studdish baker is similarly banal.
I can live with either of those, but have always felt his son Otto b1871 needed something promising to head to Wisconsin in 1887. Maybe this'll lead somewhere.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/01/2016 : 01:55:17
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That last lead about leaving Goteborg in April 1881 is my favourite yet.
The original manifest for this Anders Petter Johannson shows that he is travelling with a large group, including just below him, a Albert R Johannson. Their destination is listed as Carbel, Minn. However, I did not find any evidence of a Carvel, Minn. But there is a Carver, Minnesota. |
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ROBJE
Medium member
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Posted - 30/01/2016 : 02:38:26
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thank you, lyndall.
So far, I cannot find their arrival. (But I'm a dismal - if stubborn - researcher) The Rollo passengers must have dispersed widely in Hull, England. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/01/2016 : 03:14:37
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My best bet for the arrival is the City of Paris arriving in New York on April 25, 1881. Many of the other passengers listed close to Anders Petter on the manifest are shown on that ship. There are three possibilities for Anders Petter. They are
A Johanson born abt 1852 Swedish. Page 894
Anders Johanson born abt 1853 Swedish Page 875
Anders Johanson born abt 1850 Swedish Page 874
Hard to tell which is the right one.
A side fact. one of the other passengers listed as Herman Bohm did end up in Carver County, Minnesota. I did find him in the 1900 US Census. |
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ROBJE
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Posted - 30/01/2016 : 03:27:24
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You are swift and awesome.
I haven't even found the damn ship yet. |
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jkmarler
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ROBJE
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Posted - 30/01/2016 : 23:58:16
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OK: another day tinkering seriously with this and only two things have become obvious.
Firstly, there was definitely an unwritten law in 19th century Sweden that every father named Johannes was legally obliged to name one son Anders, and usually Anders Peter.
Secondly: two centuries after King Gustavus Adolphus had lost in his mad drive to make Sweden a supreme world power, a new scheme was hatched; namely that all those Anders Peter Johannesons would be dispersed across the globe and subversively win the world for Sweden.
And I can prove it.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/01/2016 : 01:59:27
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There are a lot of candidates. However if you make the search detailed enough you can bring the search down to one candidate. Search Sweden Select Baptisms in Ancestry.com for Anders Pet* Joh* born 1851, in Herljunga with father named Joh* And*. Father comes from the marriage posted on page 9 by Jane. The only one who makes that search criteria is.
Name: Anders Petter Johannesson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 jan 1851
Birth Place: Herrljunga, Älvsborg, Sweden
Father: Johannes Andersson
Mother: Maria Pettersdr.
FHL Film Number: 418950
Reference ID: bk C:6 p 17
Now a little more proof of a connection between this fellow and your man would be nice.
Unfortunately if you broaden the search out to include 1850 and 1852 the number of candidates expands to five.
I did search the data base "Sweden, Church Records, 1500-1941
Sverige, kyrkböcker, 1500-1941" on Ancestry.com.
This data set is like Digitalarkivet so it is the original records. You can thus browse Älvsborg, Herljunga, Utflyttning (Moving Out) for the years 1865 to 1870 without turning up any Anders Petter Johannssen or any one with a name close to that.
I also searched the data base for Födde (Births) and found the original record for the birth of the Anders Petter Johannesson but did not find any further information that would help you.
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ROBJE
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Posted - 31/01/2016 : 02:51:31
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You're wonderful, lyndal40.
As mentioned, I stupidly find no likely candidates (on Swedish archives) from Boraas born between 1845 and 1852, either.
I have e-mailed the descendants of our candidate Number One and requested any available oral family history or other data.
It is mull time again.
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ROBJE
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Posted - 01/02/2016 : 00:12:50
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Changing tack here on some sage advice:
Good Old (Ch) or (K) ristine Olsdatter - one-time partner of Anders - definitely mothered Gina b1852 Faaberg by Christian Gundersen. Hand-written church registers tell us that.
In focusing for the first time on the genesis of this wild triple-great-granny, I'm led to believe by parish books and a marriage on June 6, 1851 (all Faaberg) that she was born Feb11 1829 to a couple simply registered as 'Ole og Gunild Roland'.
But that old couple seems averse to baptisms, full names and the helpful like.
They possibly pop up in the 1865 census as Ole Christensen b1803 and Gunhild Pedersdatter b1805, with older children Even Olsen b1839 and Anne b1830, but I can neither tie them to Christine, nor find siblings for that wild old dame of mine.
(I know, I know....As mentioned, I just don't want to leave, is all.)
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JaneC
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ROBJE
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Posted - 01/02/2016 : 02:26:34
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Ta, Jane C.
Over experiences of the last year, I've grown very leery of seemingly matched family trees. Quaking leaves make me quake.
I'll get back on it, but the kiddies there are right.
As ever, merci beaucoup.
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JaneC
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Greeting, Countrymen
