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ROBJE
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 Posted - 18/01/2016 : 21:45:45
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With heartfelt thanks for that, kariellen. Wonderful closure here for his grandsons and granddaughter, who only had family oral history to rely on. My Norwegian is juvenile but functional, and I was well able to read it.
Five times.
Wonderful.
Jk and JaneC: you're starting to make me feel guilty here. You're great.
I'm fairly certain I found Oline in the hand-writing of old church records, but I will check my old info there. |
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kariellen
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 21:48:22
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Labourer fell down and was killed
Sad accident during the building of Torggaten Bad
Around 18 o'clock yesterday three men were working under the ceiling of the new large swimming-hall in Torggaten Bad. One of them suddenly lost his balance and plummeted down from the great height. The unfortunate man was more or less crushed against the concrete floor and death was instantaneous. A doctor was immediately called, but could do nothing but confirm death. The man in charge of the construction of Torggaten Bad, architect Ernst Johannesen, says this is the first accident to occur during the building. The fitters were in all ways instructed to be careful while working up under the ceiling. The accident was of course a shock to all the others working there. The killed man was called Kristian Bjerke and was 34 years old. He is described as a good and conscientious man. He leaves a wife and 4 small children. |
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ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2016 : 21:51:10
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2016 : 21:55:02
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A sad but significant find in the Aftenposten. Glad for you to finally have that Rob.
An Oline Ols. of Faaberg left for LaCrosse, Wisconsin in 1882, could be the Oline Olsdatter Flugstad of the obit.
Yes, by now, two different Ottos seems most likely. |
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ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2016 : 22:22:43
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Agreed, JaneC.
I think we have my Otto as the one who went on to some success and two wives (one of whom lived to the celebrated 102). Would be odd, anyway, wouldn't it, for two sort-of-siblings living together, who share Christine as mother but are also aunt and nephew in an unofficial way? (Gina - Otto's siblings mom - being Oline's sister). But still...they are relatively uncommon names.
Hmmm..
Information overload. I must mull.
And make supper for children.
I'm having fun, though; thanks to you all.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2016 : 23:06:11
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I bow and genuflect before you.
Lordy! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2016 : 23:33:02
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LOL. Thore had daughter Anne f 1869 and son John f 1873 or so, yes? So maybe it's these two still in same place 1910:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036430002327
If so and if there is no history of moving away and then back again,then that is suggestive that Thore / Tore would have stayed put as well and should have died there or nearby. |
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ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
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Posted - 19/01/2016 : 00:17:16
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Mucho gracias, Jane. (I'm getting boring with the thanks.....)
OK, hot shot, but what happened to my sweet Thea after the 1910 census?
(Her dad, Jakob Olsen b1866, seems a bit of a cad. I was flabbergasted when leafing through the church records that he seemed to pop up every three pages or so. Soon after impregnating my silly Anne Thordatter b1868, he married someone else finally and dutifully spawned half a dozen legitimate children with her, while bedding the occasional waif along the way here and there. Puts my Rascally Swede to shame, he does.)
I feel for Thea. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/01/2016 : 00:51:59
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So you speak not only English, Norwegian, and Polish, but also Spanish as well. Impressive.
In 1910 Thea Marie is living with Ragnhild Moen born 10 June 1878 (according to census) - and here is a Ragnhild born 12 June 1877 to Thore Simonsen and wife, in Vågå/Sel church book:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070115630309.jpg
If this is the same Ragnhild (the listed DOB should be checked), she is family, not a neighbor. Thea might be findable in an Oslo church book or address book or cemetery website - or mentioned in the probate of a parent - or standing as witness or godparent at a family wedding or baptism - and with Ragnhild being a housemate in 1910, she is a good possibility to keep Thea in her life.
And who is this Ragnhild Moen supposedly born 12 June 1877:
http://www.geni.com/people/Ragnhild-Hansen/6000000020759040408
The Geni tree Ragnhild us listed as died 29 Feb 1968 in Sel. Husband Hans Hansen. Daughter Mari Johansen.
The DIS-Norge burials website supports the tree claims re date of birth and date if death of Ragnhild Moen Hansen:
http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/vis.php?id=05&mode=ko
DIS-Norge Finn Gravplass ID is 425832. Adjacent ID# is Hans Hansen born 01.09.1882 died 21.01.1968.
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ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2016 : 01:21:57
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I live in Quebec. Don't forget French. (But that last posting was the full extent of my Spanish.)
How did I miss that in my perusal of old books? Of course Ragnhild is yet another issue of Thore and Marit. Egads, did they ever know how to stay warm during the fall/winter back then. Had Netflix been around, Norway's population today would be about 11,786.
It would thus make sense that orphaned or displaced (perhaps) Thea is taken in by an aunt, and shown as 'tjener' in the census.
Hmmm, Jane C: I must take tomorrow off to simply sift and plod my way through the avalanche that you good people have dumped on me.
But you're not getting rid of me that easily.
I like this site. Muchly.
And we still don't know where GrandDad Kristian Arnt is buried (though much of the rest of his family's plots are accounted for).
We still haven't found Thea, my daughter's 16 year-old lookalike.
And I've not secured your addresses for proper thanks.
Not only that, but nobody has suggested a reply to my first timid question about finding how dad Alex Jada(c)h wound up in Norway.
And I still haven't a translation of the census entry ' laegdslem'.
Plus - most distressingly - I cannot find my late mother's awesome recipe for 'fiske-gratteng'.
There's much to be done.
Merci beaucoup.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/01/2016 : 01:27:52
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Originally posted by ROBJE
[brNot only that, but nobody has suggested a reply to my first timid question about finding how dad Alex Jada(c)h wound up in Norway.
The usual things, love or money.....possibly fear. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2016 : 01:37:00
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Here is a possible in the emigrants list:
Thea Moen Baldersgt. 15 II 1895 14.06.1919 New York Emigranter over Kristiania 1871-1930, redigert utgave
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/01/2016 : 01:47:34
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Thea is buried in Nord-Sel graveyard - see DIS-Norge website - same as Ragnhild. Thea Moen b. 18.03.1894. d. 27.10.1982.
Also at Nord-Sel is Anne T Moen 1869-1945, John T. Moen d 1952, and other Moens.
Doesn't necessarily mean Thea didn't emigrate... |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/01/2016 : 02:23:14
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So you speak English, Norwegian, Polish, FRENCH, and Spanish. Lordy. I was kidding about the Spanish but not about the impressive.
http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/119571/is-it-ok-to-say-mucho-gracias-or-does-it-need-to-be-muchas-gracias
Why or how did Alex end up in Norway? I suspect that whatever he told you was true or mostly true. He went to Warsaw with you, yes? Your impressions then would be a test of whether Alex was born there...He would fit into the population off Polish males who were taken by the invading Germans and put to work wheresoever the German power structure saw fit. Operation Tudt is plausible. Being sent abroad, to Finland, is plausible. At war's end people engaged in the war effort in all sides headed home from abroad. The word "repatriated" is used to describe those who settled elsewhere than home. If Alex was in Lappland it seems natural to head south, and as easily into Norway as into Finland, in part because of the good recipes, perhaps. From the description of your Polish family on the link I early posted, IF the seeming facts are accurate (Alex father Stephen sent to Auschwitz etc), heading back to Poland might seem dangerous, or empty of meaning, or the like. Making a new start, a new life seems a natural impulse. On the other hand, something doesn't sit well with you. It doesn't pass the smell test. There are stories of SS guards and Gestapo commanders being discovered years later in faraway places who hid their past even from their new-formed families. That is only one example of a possible lie covering a hidden truth. If a half-truth or a lie or omissions are coloring your dad's story I do not know how to uncover what the truth was. I am writing this only as no expert answer has yet arrived in the thread...and you begged. Muchly nicely.
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Greeting, Countrymen
