| Author |
 Topic  |
|
JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
 Posted - 25/01/2016 : 20:26:35
|
Great, so with that from Anton, it defies common sense to think the Julie going to Michigan is any one but Rob's Julie.
Wilson Flugstad's son Thomas was born in Michigan in 1934. The family is in Denver, Colorado in 1940. If I recall correctly, Wilson was the son of Otto Flugstad and Agnes Wilson.
http://www.archives.com/1940-census/wilson-flugstad-co-616462
Family Search website includes some family trees for Flugstad surname in Muskegon, Michigan.
Muskegon is adjacent to Grand Rapids, and together with Holland, Michigan they form a tri-city metropolitan area.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Rapids_metropolitan_area
|
Edited by - JaneC on 25/01/2016 21:09:28 |
 |
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2016 : 20:26:36
|
Julia Andersen (actually Andersdatter) born July 1 1870 ved Flugstad in Faaberg, baptismal record see #108, she was an "uægte" child, mother was Gina Kristiansdatter, Flugstad and the father was Anders Peter Johannesen.
|
Einar |
|
|
|
AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2016 : 21:58:18
|
quote:
Wilson was the son of Otto Flugstad and Agnes Wilson
And Otto Flugstad was the son of Anders Peter Johansen and Kristine,Olsdatter at least according to a tree on Ancesty.com.
Otto C Flugstad
1871–1954
BIRTH JUNE 29, 1871 • Norway
DEATH JUNE 6, 1954 • Black River Falls, Jackson, Wisconsin, USA
See number 112
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8937&idx_id=8937&uid=ny&idx_side=-49 |
Edited by - AntonH on 25/01/2016 22:05:52 |
|
|
|
ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2016 : 23:15:56
|
Ignored, Jane C? Never felt that...to the contrary; you are all incredibly helpfully devoted folk.
(I've been terse because of the annual weekend family Pond Hockey Extravaganza, and then needing 24 hours to recover. Plus, I'm desperately trying to think of a way to stick around here after you've all completed my entire family chronology. Amazing....)
I did write a few posts back that my DNA whispered to me that that was indeed my Julie.
And I agree that it is time to write off poor Mathias. And we'll never find out what happened to rascally Anders Petter Johansen (born 1852 in Sweden) after he (maybe) booked passage from Christiania to New York in 1880. His wispy trail indicates someone who may have happily seized the chance to arrive in the Not-So-New-World with a brand-new identity.
So you good people are bringing me to absolute closure here.
And I don't want to go!
|
|
|
|
ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 00:26:11
|
...and it'll be absolute guesswork to figure why Julie had the fixed destination of Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1910. It beggars belief that she hied off to meet brother Otto's son. Her sort-of-brother-sort-of-cousin Otto had left Norway way back in 1886 or so, and settled in Wisconsin. (His mother Kristine was also there.)
At the age of forty, she was probably getting beyond marriage and issue issues.
So I'm thinking maybe her nomadic father had alighted there, and let her know.
I shall pursue that thought tomorrow. (The kids are tying up the Internet right now.) |
Edited by - ROBJE on 26/01/2016 00:27:57 |
|
|
|
JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 00:27:59
|
Please stick around the forum and contribute, discuss, digress, or whatever you please. We'll put your new member kit in the mail!
Re. Wilson Flugstad (son of Otto, who was born 1871) - agreed. Born in 1902, Wilson was ill equipped to host Julie in 1910 had he been in Michigan then, which he wasn't. I guess I mentioned him as a kind of preliminary thought before searching for Faaberg people in Michigan...he being the only such person identified to date..
Thinking out loud I guess. Let us know if you find your Swede. |
Edited by - JaneC on 26/01/2016 00:36:59 |
|
|
|
AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 00:46:16
|
The only Flugstad that I found in the 1910 Census living in Michigan is Melvin Flugstad. Son of JP and Hannah Flugstad of Vernon, Wisconsin.
Melvin Flugstad
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Melvin Flugstad
Age in 1910: 20
Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Home in 1910: Muskegon Ward 4, Muskegon, Michigan
Street: W Western Ave
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Roomer
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway |
|
|
|
jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 12:46:59
|
| Could somebody look at Julie's destination information on her Ellis Island record. It says she is going to a friend and the name is something like Mr. Gutatis and the address is 146 something. Perhaps there is a clue there? |
|
|
|
jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 13:21:50
|
Re Kristian Andersen Flugstad's parents:
Do we know when and where Gina Christiansdatter died?
Have we harvested all the information on Anders from the three records we know are about him, the baptisms of the 3 uægte children without looking to the other online records there might be?
I'm not sure his birthdate or age was included in them but in at least one his birthplace is given as Boraas Sweden. What was his occupation? Is there a middle name included in these records? |
|
|
|
ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 16:32:36
|
Re The Randy Swede
The only certainties I glean about Double-Great-Grandpappy Anders from the church records for Julia (Faaberg, July 1, 1870), Otto (Faaberg, June 24, 1871), and Christian (Modum, Feb 26,1872) are that:
- many priests had terrible handwriting
- Anders is simply described as 'ungkar' in the first two, and 'jernbanearbeider' in the third.
- he is shown as Anders Peter Johansen in one of the listings
I made a note when I thought I read a Varmeland, Sweden on one of my attempts at the scrawls many months ago, but don't see that now. There may be more that I was unable to decipher, such as the Boraas origin.
I can find no records of him in the In or Utflytning registers of either parish.
By the 1875 census, we know he's not included with the happy family, and the only candidates I find for that year are an Anders Johansen born 1852 Sweden, who is one of 104 lodgers in a building in Kristiania. He is listed as a brick-layer.
The other (more likely, methinks) is an Anders Peter Johansen: a prisoner, unmarried, sailor ('matros'). He is shown as being from Varmeland, which is where I may have wishfully plucked that.
So a whole lot of nothing to work with.
As to Gina, she's alive and kicking in the 1910 Oslo census, and do Norwegian privacy laws not make it difficult to find much more after that?
On the bright side, I used elbache's kind link to make a wonderful, almost-like-Mother's fiskegratteng this weekend. Hearty thanks. |
Edited by - ROBJE on 26/01/2016 21:10:49 |
|
|
|
ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 20:29:42
|
Anders Peter Johansen does not want to be found.
And I think he wins.
Finding him is like searching for a noodle in a haystack. (I know, I know...but needles in haystacks are easier: just roll around in the stack and it'll find you. But a noodle......?)
There's just not enough to run with, and Swedes named Anders Johansen are plentiful enough to form their own nation.
No likely candidates turn up in Wisconsin censuses or marriages or fathers of new-borns, and I was always anyway just assuming he went there because his son Otto certainly did at the youngish age of 16, and I thought it likely he joined his pop.
For now, I'll take the sailor Anders Johansen, who died at sea and was buried in New York in 1888.
Would serve him right.
|
|
|
|
jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 22:56:49
|
| You are making all sorts of assumptions, which may or may not be true. Børås is today a municipality in Vastergotland in Sweden. Back in the day it was in the county of Alvsborg or Elfsborg Sure, there are lots of Anders Johansens in Sweden. But unless you make an attempt that whole branch of your family is certain to never be found. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 26/01/2016 23:00:36 |
|
|
|
Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 23:07:14
|
Reg. Anders Peter Johansen. Are you sure he was a Swede?
The ending -sen is normally Norwegian or Danish, the ending -son is Swedish.
But as always there are nor rules without exceptions.
Kåre |
|
|
|
jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 23:12:07
|
Here is Otto's baptism. Here the father is identified as Ander Peter Johansen, ein fra Sverige.
Kildeinformasjon: Oppland fylke, Fåberg, Ministerialbok nr. 7 (1868-1878), Fødte og døpte 1871, side 43.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8937&idx_id=8937&uid=ny&idx_side=-49
Otto's faddernes:
Railroad sergeant Peter Lunde and his wife; Mathea Kristiansdatter on Longerud / Songerud; Simen Olausen Flugstadtangen; Ole Pederson Flugstadtangen or Flugstadhaugen. Ole Pederson was the reporter of the child
Peder Johanneson Lunde in 1875 Faaberg:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01052095003310
Here is Kristian's baptism. Here the father is identified as Anders Johansen form Boraas Sverige:
He is #146:
Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Heggen i Modum, Klokkerbok nr. I 7 (1869-1878), Fødte og døpte 1872, side 30.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8499&idx_id=8499&uid=ny&idx_side=-35
Julie #108 father named ___ Peter Johanson:
Kildeinformasjon: Oppland fylke, Fåberg, Ministerialbok nr. 7 (1868-1878), Fødte og døpte 1870, side 30.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8937&idx_id=8937&uid=ny&idx_side=-36
There are a few more words in the description of Anders in Kristian's baptism. Maybe something interesting?
|
Edited by - jkmarler on 30/01/2016 17:13:37 |
|
|
|
ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2016 : 23:20:26
|
Yup, Kaarto; each of his three church birth registers appearances mark him as 'fra Sverige'.
And yes, jk: you're right (as usual).
But I bow to your expertise in these matters. With the scarce data at our hands - and assumptions that seem wrong - how in the name of Helsingfors do we proceed? He falls between the census cracks and has a name that may as well be John Smith.
My gut tells me that maybe his daughter Julie b1870 heading to Grand Rapids in 1910 may be a possibility, but I find no Anders Johansen in Michigan then (though their census-taking seems poor at the time.) And my gut is often wrong, like when it said OK to that tuna roll in 2012. |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Greeting, Countrymen
