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ROBJE
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Canada
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Posted - 26/01/2016 :  23:42:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can make nothing of the ancient Norse runes in Kristian's baptism, except maybe the words meaning 'railroad worker'.
But then again, I looked at Anders' daughter Julie's Ellis Island register, and found only the brother Flukstad you mentioned, and nothing about any destination address other than Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/01/2016 :  23:43:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is a tough one. Ancestry.com has a data base "All Sweden, Select Baptisms, 1611-1920 " which may or may not be complete. Even so there are 209 Anders Johansson born 1852 plus/minus 2 in Älvsborg. Using Anders Peter Johan* still gives eight candidates.
Edited by - AntonH on 26/01/2016 23:45:15
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/01/2016 :  23:46:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The scarcity of information on Anders in Norway means that we have to mine every single scintilla of information there is. I don't claim any specialty in Swedish research but the parish registers in Sweden record the same kinds of information as they do in Norway. I just looked for any Anders Peter Johanson with a birth place of Elvsborg, Sweden between 1820 and 1850 in the Swedish Baptisms database at familysearch.org. and found about 65 in the parishes covered in that database. No one really stood out. The Swedes also keep something like a parish census every few years, called a clerical survey in which each person is counted as part of a family. Just something to remember.

You've mentioned the prisoner Anders Johansen you found in the census. I haven't been able to duplicate your effort for reasons that are not clear. Would you find and post a link so that we all can see him?
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ROBJE
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Posted - 26/01/2016 :  23:59:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
(sheepishly)....I don't yet know how to link anything but sausages, jk.
At digitalarkivvet, I check the 1875 census and enter Anders Peter Johansen and 'VELG ALLE' and there he is.
(Hangs head and sulks.......)
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  00:02:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1875 Anders Peter Johansen candidate:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052210003309

In Swedish records one might check emigrations.
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ROBJE
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  00:07:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And I'm coming to doubt anyway that it is the same him languishing in a Christiania jail. That'd mean an 18 year-old Swedish sailor stumbles into sleepy Faaberg in late 1869 and sires three children (two by his nominal girlfriend and one with her mother) in two years, and then disappears.
Does that at all seem plausible?
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  00:13:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has anyone posted the 1865 Census for Anders Peter Johannsen? Does this person have any fit?

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0534&kenr=002&bnr=0248&lnr=000
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ROBJE
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  00:20:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is so cool a find, lyndal40.
But now he's 16 strolling jauntily into Faaberg. But the Moen place name is startling, as it does turn up again. And again. On the other side of the clan, though.
Hmmm.
Edited by - ROBJE on 27/01/2016 00:23:45
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  00:50:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The place Moen in Gran would be just a coincidence though...

1856 marriage of widower Johannes Andersen, age 31, and Randi Jakobsdatter in Gran, Oppland - his father is Anders Person?
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070206610274.jpg


1868 confirmation in Gran, same Anders? No, it is not.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070206620131.jpg
Edited by - JaneC on 27/01/2016 13:49:20
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  12:13:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JaneC

The place Moen in Gran would be just a coincidence though...

1868 confirmation in Gran, same Anders? I find it hard to read. Father Johannes Pedersen rather than Andersen...Anders born August 1853.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070206620131.jpg



The confirmation Anders baptism, #194:
Kildeinformasjon: Oppland fylke, Gran, Ministerialbok nr. 11 (1842-1856), Fødte og døpte 1853, side 402-403.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8968&idx_id=8968&uid=ny&idx_side=-209
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  14:01:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay, so confirmation of the 1865 census Anders (with father Johannes Andersen and step-mother Randi Jakobsdatter) is not yet found; if one exists it would tell his DOB. There is a chance it is Rob's Anders. The information for Johannes would be additional clues. Too bad the church records are so hard to read. A transcription of Johannes's marriage would be welcome.
Edited by - JaneC on 27/01/2016 15:16:57
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JaneC
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USA
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  14:11:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Never mind. Johannes Andersen and Randi Jakobsdatter take the kids to America in 1866 (Gran church book):
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070206620351.jpg

Bye bye Anders.
Edited by - JaneC on 27/01/2016 14:24:14
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JaneC
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USA
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  16:33:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To add to the candidate already found, here is a list of men in the (incomplete) 1875 census searching on Anders Jo*, occupation jern*
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/sok/1875?fornavn=anders&etternavn=jo*&kjonn=&familiestilling=&sivilstand=&yrke=jern*&fodselsaar=&fodested=&ny_husholdning=&bostatus=&sedvanlig_bosted=&antatt_oppholdssted=&statsborgerskap=&trossamfunn=&bygning_for_natteopphold=&etasje=&etnisitet=&etnisitet_mors=&spraak=&merknader=&type=person&bosted=&bydel=&gaardsnummer=&bruksnummer=&gaardseier=

This Anders is from Buraas, Sweden, in Fredrikstad in 1875, occupation Blikkenslager (plumber?):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052006004838

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Edited by - JaneC on 27/01/2016 17:06:09
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ROBJE
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  17:06:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yowzer, Jane C. Meanwhile, I was counting on our Anders' generous fertility, and slogging through possible new children born to him between 1872 and 1875. No luck there. Has 'Blikkenslagger' something to do with tin, or what?
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/01/2016 :  17:07:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good idea about additional children. Maybe a translation of "Yowzer" would be useful to some. It is roughly the equivalent of "Jumpin' Jehosaphat." Not sure about "blikkenslager."
Edited by - JaneC on 27/01/2016 17:10:55
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