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Randy Haugen
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 Posted - 23/10/2017 : 04:33:25
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Below is the entire passenger search for John J. Haugen
The only two that would be relative are the top two.
Searched for Tjolgen and did not find it on the entire planet!
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Edited by - Randy Haugen on 23/10/2017 04:34:04 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 04:45:19
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Good job on the posting. Clearly the John J Haugen of 1898 is the same one as I have posted arriving on the Britannic. The other John J Haugen arriving in 1902 is here.
John J Haugen
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: John J Haugen
Arrival Date: 27 Mar 1902
Birth Date: abt 1883
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Oceanic
Birth date does not fit very well also he is going to Fosston Minnesota. to an uncle O A Haugen
This is likely him here from Tolgen. probably same as Tolga Hedmark
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Edited by - AntonH on 23/10/2017 04:51:51 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 04:54:45
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I would guess that this is the Ole Johnson Haugen that arrived with John Johnson Haugen in 1898.
Ole Johnson Hangen
in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Ole Johnson Hangen
[Ole Johnson Haugen]
Race: White
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1873
Residence Place: Kidder, North Dakota, USA
Physical Build: Stout
Height: Short
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Light Blue
Relative: Caroline Hangen
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Randy Haugen
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 05:29:16
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Originally posted by lyndal40
It does not square at all. Innvik and Lom are in two different parts of Norway.
We are still missing some of the connections we need to figure this out.
Here are the two emigration records for John and Ole Haugen leaving in 1898. Do they fit with the Ellis Island record you found.
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The fit perfectly as you can see the image below of the Ellis Island record and the passenger manifest. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 05:30:48
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We still need to connect the two travelers John and Ole Johnson Haugen to some baptism records in Lom that also fits in the Haugen farm. So far I have not done that.
Here is a two baptisms that seem to fit Ole and John, same parents and proper birth years but I do not see a connection to Haugen.
Ole #66
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Randy Haugen
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 05:40:38
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Nice work!
I see the name John there but the next column shows a date of 1845?
Can you explain what I'm looking at there?
How do you find the farm they were born on?
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Edited by - Randy Haugen on 23/10/2017 05:46:01 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 10:37:53
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In the confirmation record they were both recorded as born on Andvordshaugen. See both Andvord and Haugen in this map.
When they called themself Haugen, this is most likely a short for Andvordshaugen.
1845 and 1841 are the birth years for the father and mother.
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Edited by - eibache on 23/10/2017 10:59:30 |
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KnutTor
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Randy Haugen
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 11:08:15
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Nice work!
Tjolgen cannot be found by Google at all, anyones guess as to what that is.
He came to America sometime between 1897-1905.
He married Mary Engebritson in Valley City, North Dakota on 1/27/1905
He passed away from double pneumonia in 1912.
Mary went to live with her uncle who had border named Torsten Skretting, whom she married some time after John died.
This would answer why there was no further information after the census in Norway of 1891.
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Edited by - Randy Haugen on 23/10/2017 11:19:52 |
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eibache
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 11:36:19
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Ole, John and Karis parents John Hansen and Marit Olsdatter were married May 21 1872, see #11.
The father, John Hansen, was born out of wedlock July 20 1845, see #114.
His parents were Hans Rasmussen, Kjæstadbakken and Kari Johnsdatter, Drivdalen.
The mother, Marit Olsdatter, was born July 9 1841, see #63.
Her parents were Ole Nielsen, Storøgaarden and Kari Arulsdatter.
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Randy Haugen
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 12:06:43
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quote:
Originally posted by eibache
In the confirmation record they were both recorded as born on Andvordshaugen. See both Andvord and Haugen in this map.
When they called themself Haugen, this is most likely a short for Andvordshaugen.
1845 and 1841 are the birth years for the father and mother.
Eilbache:
Very interesting!
I'll call Foster County North Dakota today and see if I can't get John Johnsen Haugen's naturalization records. When I looked before there were a number of them and I must have picked the wrong guy.
Below is what the NDSU (North Dakota State University)https://apps.nd.gov/doh/certificates/deathCertSearch.htm
has on file for deaths of individuals named John J. Haugen in 1912.
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Randy Haugen
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 12:15:50
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NDSU search results for every person who died in North Dakota named Haugen in 1912 in all counties.
John Joe is not buried in Kensal and he is no relation at all.
Genuine mystery here guys!
Either that or . . . . .
Here is his headstone in Kensal, ND
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Edited by - Randy Haugen on 23/10/2017 12:24:57 |
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KnutTor
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 12:31:20
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Some comments connected to the Innvik track.
(1) Norwegian church records have a register of "Konfirmerte" (Confirmation), usually people get "konfirmert" at the age of 15-16 year, but I can not find John Marius in the confirmation register. If that is correct he left for USA before/without confirmation. Another explanation is indicated under.
(2) Concesus 1900 list another son Paul Johnsen Haugen b. 1876,
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070509660169
In 1891 he lived at another farm see:
https://digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01053026001771
Tragically he took his own life by drowning in 1901, see:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050818011030
An interesting comment on the death record is: "Konfirmert 27/9/1891", probably because his confirmation was no registered in 1891. Could that also for some reason, be the case also for his brother John Marius?
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 16:31:16
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Randy, there has been a lot of information given to you in a short period of time and it might be possible for you to have missed some of the most important parts. I had struggled with the issue of John Johnson born in Lom but not having a connection with Haugen. I think eibache (Einar) gave us the answer.
When both John and Ole the sons of John Hansen and Marit Olsdatter were born the family used the farm name Andvord. But when they were confirmed the name given for where they were born was Andvordhaugen. Thus when they attached the farm name to the rest of their name they shortened it to Haugen.
Here is the confirmation record for John. Look at number 42 name John Johnsen followed by birth and baptism dates followed by birth place Andvordhaugen.
#42
In the confirmation for his brother Ole in 1887 the form shows his birth place as Andvordeit i.e. Andvord farm and the place where he is living i.e. Bøpel as Andvordhaugen. See number 4
Ole #4
Einar also pointed out that Andvord farm and Haugen farm in Lom are very close to one another (about 900 meters by my calculation). |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/10/2017 : 17:13:48
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Now you have two candidates to choose from or what would be best to figure out a way to eliminate one of them.
The two candidates are the John Johnsen Haugen from Lom, Oppland born May 12, 1877.
and John Marius Johnsen Haugen b. 11.30.1878 in Innvik, Sogn og Fjordane found for you by Knut Torsethaugen.
Now Knut did a very good job of finding a very good candidate and as far as I can tell we have not eliminated the Innvik candidate. More work needs to be done to see if we can find out if the Innvik candidate ever left Norway and if so when did he leave and if he did not leave Norway then where is he around 1900. |
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