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peder
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 Posted - 11/08/2018 : 18:08:48
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from my heritage
Elias Schønning Dreyer Eliassen
? - 1921
Death: 1921
Svolvær, Nordland, Norway
Family members
Parents:
Elias Schønning Andersen
1795 - 1837
Anne Marie Andersen (født Amundsdatter)
1797 - 1875
Wife:
Johanne Eliassen (født Larsdatter)
1836 - 1891 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2018 : 18:17:44
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The Ancestry.com tree for Elias Olsen is owned by Holly Lindsay. I would think that that is the sister of the OP Audrey Lindsay.
The profile for Elias Olsen has only two sources. The first is the Canadian arrival for 1924. I have traced that man across America and feel that he is the man who died in Bedford Mass. Lots of info on him on page 2.
The second source is a Canadian death records from Montreal showing an Elias Olsen died in 1952.
Here again are the two records
Elias Olsen
in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924Name: Elias Olsen
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 26
Date of Arrival: Apr 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Stavanger, Norway
Ship Name: Carmania
Elias Olsen
in the Web: Canadian Headstone Index, 1840-2017
Name: Elias Olsen
Cemetery: Les Jardins Commémoratifs Lakeview Memorial Gardens (Pointe-Claire)
Burial Place: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Notes: Elias (Bill) Olsen May 28, 1900 - Mar. 9, 1952
Picture Available: https://canadianheadstones.com
She lists his wife as
Phyllis Audrey Olsen
1924–2017
BIRTH 22 DEC 1924 • Canada, New Brunswick, Canada
DEATH 2017 • Canada
and the father of the wife as
Ernest Johnston
BIRTH Unknown
DEATH Canada |
Edited by - AntonH on 11/08/2018 18:26:45 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2018 : 19:51:31
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A possibility from Fjell, Hordaland, born 1901-05-28.
Obituary for Phyllis. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 11/08/2018 20:23:00 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2018 : 20:02:23
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The Hans Elias born 28 May 1901 in Fjell did emigrate to Canada. His father's patronym was Olsen.
His birth, 1901
His emigration, Correction - not the same man
1927
I posted the above records yesterday but withdrew, choosing to await more information from the daughters.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2018 : 20:31:40
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Just a concern...
The birth record and 1910 census shows Hans Elias Halvardsen (Olsen) from farm Lønøen in Fjell, Hordaland. Born 28-05-1901.
The emigration record shows a man named Hans Halvorsen Lunner from Lunner, Oppland. Born 28-05-1900.
Same guy...? |
Edited by - jwiborg on 11/08/2018 20:34:07 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2018 : 22:47:30
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I wonder if this is the Hans Halvorsen Lunner on this Geni.com profile. His birth dated is listed as May 28 1906 and he died 1986 (79)
Chilliwack, Fraser Valley, British Columbia, Canada
Geni.com
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So not the same guy, and not the OP"s father either.
Jan Peter nice find on the Obit for the wife. Odd that there is no mention of the husband. Actually no mention of either husband, since it appears she must have been married twice. |
Edited by - AntonH on 11/08/2018 23:06:49 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2018 : 23:19:32
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Halvor Olsen Lønø died 29-June-1931. Wife Elisabeth Hansdatter were still alive. 1 month later, an add in the local newspaper encouraged people who had claims in the estate after the deceased to make contact within 3 months.
An indication that the court of law has not come into contact with all heirs.
Halvor Olsen Lønøy @ Geni. Elias not mentioned.
Hans Elias Halvardsen @ histreg.no
Halvard Olsen Lønøy was quite productive. Married twice, 6 children with 1st wife, and 9 with 2nd wife...
Wife 1) Herborg Nordahl , 1855 - 1890
Jens Olai Halvorsen , 1878 -
Nils Alstrup Nordahl Halvorsen , 1881 -
Nils Matias , 1882 -
Brithe Halvorsdtr , 1889 -
Karl Halvorsen Halvorsen , 1889 -
Brita , 1889 -
Wife 2) Elisabeth Hansdatter , 1871 -
Herborg Halvorsdatter , 1894 -
Elisabeth Halvardsdatter , 1897 -
Hermanda Sofie Halvardsdatter , 1899 - 1910
Hans Elias Halvardsen , 1901 -
Jens Olai Halvardsen , 1903 -
Jens Olai Halvardsen , 1904 -
Herman Bertin Halvardsen , 1906 -
Herborg Bergitte Halvardsdatter , 1908 -
Klara Hermanda Halvardsdatter , 1910 - |
Edited by - jwiborg on 11/08/2018 23:42:11 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2018 : 23:46:28
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Here is some information on the son from Ancestry tree. No source however.
Hans Elias Halvorsen Lønoy
1901–1943
BIRTH 11 JUL 1901 • Lønoy, bnr 3-plass A, Fjell, Hordaland
DEATH 1943
Married a
Konstance Johanne Frøyen
1914–
BIRTH 1914 • Kalvåg, Bremanger
Probably this is the baptism of his wife.
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Edited by - AntonH on 12/08/2018 00:05:16 |
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Audlin
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 13/08/2018 : 04:15:38
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this is definitely my father as we have the Carmania passenger list as well as his arrival date in Canada
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Hmm, maybe we need to go back and check some of the information provided by the OP on his arrival into Canada and work back from that and see who he really is.
This might be where the OP gets her arrival information from.
Elias Olsen
in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: Elias Olsen
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 26
Date of Arrival: Apr 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Stavanger, Norway
Ship Name: Carmania
Lists himself as Fisher and is seeking work, going to Torn Sorensen of Rupert BC.
Nearest relative in Norway is Magnhild Aavold friend of Aakilhaven? Karmoen ?
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Audlin
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 13/08/2018 : 04:50:19
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
Just a concern...
The birth record and 1910 census shows Hans Elias Halvardsen (Olsen) from farm Lønøen in Fjell, Hordaland. Born 28-05-1901.
The emigration record shows a man named Hans Halvorsen Lunner from Lunner, Oppland. Born 28-05-1900.
Same guy...?
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Audlin
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 13/08/2018 : 05:03:35
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| Hello to all - a big thank you for all your help, I really appreciate your time and effort. Hans Elias Halvardsen is not my father and neither is Ernest Elias Olsen. Holly Lindsay is my daughter-in-law and was the one who started this search. A big thank you to 'elbache' as you seem to have found the correct family. Also a big thank you to jwiborg for the photos. I don't think my father was married in Norway because if he was when he married my mother....... The photo of Alfred looks just like my father (we only have one photo). Jane C - not the right person, sorry. My father definitely arrived in Quebec, Canada on the SS Carmania in 1924 and was killed in 1952 in Dorion, Quebec. At the time he was a chef and coming home from work when he was hit by a drunk driver in a truck. Death was instant. |
Audrey Lindsay |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2018 : 11:12:43
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Well, this is an important search (finding a father), so I hope you don't mind me saying you seem to be misunderstanding the posted research. Please reread your opening statement and then clarify whether you were referring to known facts about your father, or whether you had identified a similar person in Norway and gave that man's facts instead.
Not only the research but also the process seems misunderstood, and again, I say this because it's important o understand. Consider your reference to the Elias that "ebache found." You described that boy in Norway. No one here found him - you did. Peder and ebache posted records for him, yes. Of course. That's what we do. But the researchers aren't saying, "Here's your dad." They are saying, "Here's the guy you are talking about." You claimed a connection - not the researchers.
Your use of the phrase "ebache found him" is what makes me think you aren't realizing you are the one who found that candidate in Vagan.
The boy described in your opening statement used the name "Elias Schøning Dreyer Telstad," a name that you did not mention. To the contrary, you called your father "Elias Olsen."
The 1924 passenger you say is your father is a different man. He is not Elias Schøning Dreyer Telstad born in Vagan. You have said both men are your father, and that cannot be.
The 1924 passenger also appears to be someone different from your father, so please explain why you are so firm about that particular travel record. The name and year of travel are not enough reason. If a latter day relative doing research selected that passenger manifest, that also is not enough reason.
Probably a fresh start is needed.
A more detailed description of your Elias is needed as he existed in Canada.
Please consider that many people were named Elias Olsen and give identifying details about your Elias that distinguish him. Do you know his specific date of death, and does his death record list his full date of birth, place of birth, and parents?
If you don't know your dad's birth date and birth place and parents and siblings (that can happen), it's helpful to just say so. If you haven't already, try to get a copy of your parents' marriage record (if they married) and your dad's naturalization papers (if any) and death record, then post any birth family info found in those documents.
Provide an accounting of your father's locations - if indeed he first went to British Columbia? And later moved to Québec? These locales are distant from one another and additional locales may apply.
At present the person you named as your dad in Norway (born 02 July 1899 in Vagan) does not appear to be your father, unless he led a secret double life using two different names on two different continents. The passenger in 1924 also appears to be someone else. Understand that full information as found in his life timeline records is not available online, and thus it is imperative you tell what you know, for sure, about him.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2018 : 17:24:04
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Thanks Jane, it is a little hard to argue with the two marriage records you posted for Elias Schønning Dreyer Telstad especially the second one. The original records show that Elias Schønning Dreyer Telstad was born June 2, 1899 in Svolvær and his father is named Johan Olsen Telstad. It further states that this is his second marriage. Which probably explains whey you at first thought there was two of them.
#134B
The original record for his first marriage is here
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2018 : 18:55:23
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Audrey, please read through the wise advices given by JaneC and lyndal40 above, and provide useful response.
The search for "Elias Olsen" have identified several possible candidates for your father, and the correct one has not yet been identified. Atleast I can't tell which one of them are the correct one...
To pinpoint the correct one, we need to know what are facts, and what are assumptions.
You say this about Elias Olsen arriving Apr 1924 on the Carmania:
"this is definitely my father as we have the Carmania passenger list as well as his arrival date in Canada"
What other sources do you have for his arrival? He was travelling to a man named Torn Sorensen of Rupert BC. Was Torn Sorensen of Rupert BC a friend of your father?
You also say that the picture of Alfred looks like your father. The problem here is that Alfreds brother Elias was married in Norway. And it doesn't seem that he emigrated.
How do you know he arrived in April 1924?
How do you know his parents were John & Hansine?
How do you know he was born in Svolvaer?
The reason I'm asking all this is that we need to know where this info comes from.
The Elias who arrived in April 1924 is likely not the same Elias as the son of John & Hansine from Svolvaer. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 13/08/2018 19:01:06 |
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2018 : 19:14:42
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| the fathers name and the mothers maiden name should be on audin birth certificate if she has one |
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